It could also be that the rest stayed out of honor, respect, or nobility. Some hope to return to the angel choirs at some point. Angels were to be judged by man at some point. Do there is a lot of he said he said going on. Truth is generally somewhere in between.
@anon10524665 Iām inclined to think there was a vehement disagreement about humanityās place in not to be coy but humanityās place in life the universe and everything.
I donāt think it was a war. Maybe thereāll be one someday maybe not.
I think earth including humanity might have been made to be a zoo or a petting zoo and that proto humanity were just hairless apes until the disagreement and some āangelsā or entities or demons call them whatever you please did something that made humans evolve into self aware sentient beings capable of creating art and thinking inside and outside the box.
I think some entity (god) didnāt like that and keeps trying to mess with and maybe obliterate humanity with diseases pests, the occasional asteroid and maybe natural (and man made by idiots) disasters.
I donāt exactly buy the old religious story god man man and earth and it was good then along canes Jones tall thin jones slow walking jones slow talking jones along came long lean lanky jones (substitute Satan for jones same bs different song). And along came the bad guy tricked our proto ancestors and suddenly we all are mortal and everything bad is cuz we have original sin.
Iām not buying that.
Something however happened to our species to set us apart from the rest. Something beneficial. Not sure what. Whatever it was it made us as a species kings and queens of this wet dirt ball planet. If it was Satan, I for one am glad for it.
I donāt think so.
I donāt think humanity was created by YHWH (and neither by demons). Maybe some humans were and still are, but not humanity as a whole.
According to your theory YHWH and the angels who did not rebel would have to despise humans. But they donāt.
While a god can cause a disaster, yes, most disasters simply occur. A virus is a living thing, too. It belongs to our earth. We donāt like it, I donāt like it, but itās part of our planet, not brought in by some angry god.
If Iām not mistaken, I think the creation myth is prevalent in every mythology, not just with Yahweh
And thatās where my theory falls flat I know.
Cuz I donāt know everything or much of anything beyond my little part of this world and my experiences in it.
Everyoneās got ideas um though and what makes them any more plausible.
In the end itās up to the individual to try to puzzle out whatās reality whatās fiction and whatās merely dreams and fantasy.
And Iāll admit it I donāt know. I only surmise and guess. The only thing I know for sure is the stories they taught me growing up of a good god who flooded the world because humans didnāt act how he wanted who executed firstborn Egyptians and ordered geno cides does not compute to me to be good. Is he real? Fuck if I know. I only know that if any of that was truth I hate his ass and want him to cease to be any way possible.
Add: especially when to top it off they teach that if I donāt have something I want it isnāt good for me cuz god knows best and if bad shit happens itās for my best cuz god knows best.
Was Yhwh a tyrant God
Hecate, Khnum, and Woden never tried to convince me they were all powerful
And definitely donāt lie about it
But YHWh then tried to guilt to me into believing he was lol and then all loving at the same time.
Iām like what about parasitic organisms whose entire life cycle is to imbed in the eyes of children and make them go blind? Hmmm
Fix it then we can talk.
But the whole ālet me into your heart so I can save from what Iām going to do to you if you donātā screams tyrant and abuser to me
Add: atleast Woden kept it real
I agree. It definitely doesnāt scream out love.
Do as I say or Iām going to torture you forever in a lake of fire. That sure screams love to me (massive amounts of sarcasm intended).
Add: but if you become obedient little slaves sit at my feet and tell me how good I Am forever more Iāll spare you and love you for being my little slaves forever more. That says so I much about his love doesnāt it?
Anyways back on topic lol sorry
I think some angels stayed loyal out of fear
Some out of ignorance and some because they probably get a high sensation of belonging when aligned with Yhwhās vibrations as well as a sense of security.
This is a complex story. First, we didnāt understand natural disasters and so people try to find a reason why things happen. (And some people still do that when disasters happen today, cough cough)
And over time, stories change and suddenly they begin to āmake senseā for a group of people, and giving them a sense of absolution like āOur god punished the bad guysā because we humans seek justice and harmony. Yes, harmony.
I wouldnāt take these stories literally and I wouldnāt even connect them to a god.
You probably contacted the egregore, and not the real Yahweh
This is true to
I wonder to an extent how much we actually know about Ywhw and how much is an evil egregore made by humanity
Interesting you believe he made humanity to. Have you ever heard of the divine Potter, or Egyptian God Khnum who made humans out of mud and then quote on quote, ābreathed the breath of life into themā
Khnum was also the base vessel for the beloved goat of Mendes to develope from and then atleast partially baphomet. (Khnums alternative name is Banebdjedet)
@anon10524665 Ok you have a point and Iām still shaking off my Christian upbringing and none too successfully so far apparently.
Still you gotta admit that what they teach from infancy doesnāt compute to their god being a loving god
Maybe Iāll shake off the last shreds of my upbringing soon. Who knows. Til then sorry if my anger at stuff I was taught offended you in any way. Itās just where Iām at and how I feel about the āgodā I was raised to believe in, trust and worship at this point in time.
I know itās not a very enlightened attitude for a Luciferian to have, but each day I slowly get further and further away from their brainwash and closer and closer to a truly enlightened philosophy.
So if this is the case what workings would you consider to be representative of the real YHWh and what the angels are aligned with that stayed?? @MagickVigilante
Add: and would this make real YHWh enemies of the fallen angels?
More power to the shaking lol
Everything is poison and everything is medicine itās just depends on who itās for because weāre all unique vibrations and expressions of the universe
Thatās based on personal work, itās the reason why I suggest the people who are unsure about the real Yahweh to actually call him, any way you can really.
I havenāt worked with Yahweh much, but the whole "love me or burn forever. " sounds like something humans made to keep population control
I can actually answer that, based on what he told me, he doesnāt care, what they do has nothing to do with him besides their family ties
Probably MagickVigilante. Itās certain the 10 commandments were made by the ruling class to keep the populace in line.
Gotya
Mostly I was referring to workings as in teachings or writings but if itās only able to be experienced through cutting out the noise then by my definition of open mindedness I require myself to try.
Perhaps Iāll attempt to clear my mind and state āthe real YWHWā and make it clear no associations with any known human teachings. Just pure existence and pure connection.
Add: and this probably my associations of YHWh with abrahamic traditions led to the egregore if thatās the case. Thus no abrahamic association is Paramount in the minds eye.
Also we need to remember that the old testament was strictly for the Israelites originally, not for the whole world, at least imo
As for the NT, I like the idea of love, truth, being real.