Why are most magicians so poor?


#1

Something occurred to me tonight that has I must admit has bothered me unconsciously for awhile. Why are there so many poor magicians ?
Most magicians can kill an enemy with little effort, can evoke to visible form any long dead/undead being that are only too willing to help. We can easily cure diseases with a touch from an angel or enslave any member of the opposite sex. Then why can’t we become multi-millionaires by cracking this Mega-millions lottery ?
I know several magickal authors; not you E.A.; that have encyclopedic knowledge of the art and are much respected by myself and others. They have sold tens of thousands of books making their publishers rich but for what, to live in a three bedroom walk up with an upside down mortgage ? WTF
I can count on two hands magicians (both male and female) that are multi-millionaires/billionaires and they don’t have a day job. They are very secretive and you probably only heard of one or two. What’s their secret? Are we mages so caught up with the pretty lights of ascension that we can’t see the forest for the trees? Tell me my friends why are we always struggling? Shouldn’t our focus be obtaining monster gobs of wealth to maintain our physical status while we ascend or do I have it half right?


#2

That’s a great question. I definitely don’t have any definitive answers for it but will at least try to throw around some ideas out there. Some possibilities;

*Magick can become an obsession and neglect to more practical matters is one sure possibility. Quite possibly for some, massive material wealth and accumulation may not even be a desired reality if some soul searching has been done on the matter. Maybe material wealth isn’t AS important as developing other faculties and features.

*Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs is a good rule of thumb for earthly success although it wouldn’t surprise me if a large number of mages overlook the basics of totally covering all aspects of physical stability and survival in favor of study and practice of more psychic or non-physical spiritual skills. Guilty! Lol!

*Making money through business with an ever-expanding responsibility to it whilst maintaining worthwhile relationships requires much time and energy in the physical realm and I think many would prefer to limit their interactions with the less magically inclined to avoid a similar herd-like mindset ‘rubbing off’ so to speak.

  • Maybe mages are more creative types and prefer to invest their time into their artistic or creative pursuits and if they make a living off of that then that may be enough for them to live comfortably and to live more hassle free, as much as possible away from the shackles of society and the corporate world.

Just my 2c. I may be completely wrong on this but I have a feeling at least some of it is applicable. I’d sure love to be able to do an evocation or magick to win vast amounts on the lottery and use the freeing up of that time usually spent in a job delving into more creative and interesting activities more in sync with my true purpose. I’m looking forward to seeing responses to this thread. Excellent question. :slight_smile:


#3

Great subject.

I tend to agree with Virdon Djinn on this in that most people practicing the magical arts are more interested in their own ascent and mastering supernatural powers than actually performing their daily functions at a high pressure job.

However, there should be a very logical and magical solution to winning both lottery and gambling. It seems like we should have a knack for predicting seemingly random events like card turns, which slot machine was ready to hit, or what the lotto numbers are for the night.

For myself though, life wouldn’t change all that much if I was filthy rich or just comfortable like now. Other than I wouldn’t worry about finances and could take some more unusual and exotic vacations. I would still be focused on music, and magick. I would still teach music. I would probably not live anywhere too fancy, either. But having the ability to manifest winning lotto numbers would be very useful in my daily life.

So how do we crack this code? Is it evocation that would produce these results? What about psyonics? This is something that has to be solved for us practicing sorcerers. I think if we controlled mass amounts of wealth it would help us to achieve GODHOOD and to rule over society.


#4

because of this question and the posting of this column, I asked my source about this…and for me personally, not for everyone, the answer I received back was…

That I have a different set of values than the crowd of people that I was shown in the picture with after I would became weathly…and I was shown that I would lose all privacy…other people outside of the wealthy think that the person with much money and wealth has complete control over their actions and can control their privacy…but that is not the case…everything about your life becomes open and is known by all the other wealthy people…you have no privacy…as I looked at this I began to understand what I was being shown.

but as stated, this was for me alone…and does not mean that all would be unhappy with their affairs being completely open to all people of wealth. Meaning for me to get one, I will give up the other…so entirely ones choice.

A person with little or no wealth does even merit attention from the money crowd as they do not consider you anything other than pig meat.

Maxx


#5

[quote=“ZachD555, post:3, topic:409”]Great subject.

I tend to agree with Virdon Djinn on this in that most people practicing the magical arts are more interested in their own ascent and mastering supernatural powers than actually performing their daily functions at a high pressure job.

However, there should be a very logical and magical solution to winning both lottery and gambling. It seems like we should have a knack for predicting seemingly random events like card turns, which slot machine was ready to hit, or what the lotto numbers are for the night.

For myself though, life wouldn’t change all that much if I was filthy rich or just comfortable like now. Other than I wouldn’t worry about finances and could take some more unusual and exotic vacations. I would still be focused on music, and magick. I would still teach music. I would probably not live anywhere too fancy, either. But having the ability to manifest winning lotto numbers would be very useful in my daily life.

So how do we crack this code? Is it evocation that would produce these results? What about psyonics? This is something that has to be solved for us practicing sorcerers. I think if we controlled mass amounts of wealth it would help us to achieve GODHOOD and to rule over society.[/quote]

If you have clairaudience very developed, you should ask a demon who would know this secret information and be willing to share it. I knew a sorcerer who would do this when he was drunk, and he could best hear the answers…The problem is he couldn’t always get them in the right order. I tested it once and nearly got a winning ticket for a major lotto.

Aside from that you could remote view, but games like this are rigged against magick, if you’ve ever been to a casino in Vegas, you will understand there are ways to make it very hard for people to use their abilities, and make it very hard for people to get intuitive feelings.

They run magical protection on major gambling like the lottery.

That’s my two cents at least.
-Frater Apotheosis


#6

[quote=“Frater Apotheosis, post:5, topic:409”][quote=“ZachD555, post:3, topic:409”]Great subject.

I tend to agree with Virdon Djinn on this in that most people practicing the magical arts are more interested in their own ascent and mastering supernatural powers than actually performing their daily functions at a high pressure job.

However, there should be a very logical and magical solution to winning both lottery and gambling. It seems like we should have a knack for predicting seemingly random events like card turns, which slot machine was ready to hit, or what the lotto numbers are for the night.

For myself though, life wouldn’t change all that much if I was filthy rich or just comfortable like now. Other than I wouldn’t worry about finances and could take some more unusual and exotic vacations. I would still be focused on music, and magick. I would still teach music. I would probably not live anywhere too fancy, either. But having the ability to manifest winning lotto numbers would be very useful in my daily life.

So how do we crack this code? Is it evocation that would produce these results? What about psyonics? This is something that has to be solved for us practicing sorcerers. I think if we controlled mass amounts of wealth it would help us to achieve GODHOOD and to rule over society.[/quote]

If you have clairaudience very developed, you should ask a demon who would know this secret information and be willing to share it. I knew a sorcerer who would do this when he was drunk, and he could best hear the answers…The problem is he couldn’t always get them in the right order. I tested it once and nearly got a winning ticket for a major lotto.

Aside from that you could remote view, but games like this are rigged against magick, if you’ve ever been to a casino in Vegas, you will understand there are ways to make it very hard for people to use their abilities, and make it very hard for people to get intuitive feelings.

They run magical protection on major gambling like the lottery.

That’s my two cents at least.
-Frater Apotheosis[/quote]

Damn, those casinos think of everything. One of these days I’m going to find a way to break through all that.


#7

Casinos have magical protection? Sounds like a future employment opportunity for a Mage. Any idea how to apply for that post? Also if there are magical defenses in place at the casino, it seems like we would be able to break through those defenses.


#8

sometime we should all arrange for a magic road trip to vegas where we can all put our heads together on how to get rich quick.


#9

If what is said is correct, then that force is more powerful than the magician and the Living God concept…and one would be wanting to pursue that force which is the strongest or number one more powerful…rather than seeking after the number two slot working with your grimoires and magic…and etc…

Sounds like someone has been stroked.

Maxx


#10

a teacher I had contact with in the past said if a person is so strongly after riches…the spirits are not interested in delivering as the person is not ready to handle the gift…those that are ready, could care less about these riches…as that is not the sum total of importance. That is why most of those that are lottery winners are destroyed by the riches and are dead broke in a short time and still owe millions from law suits and taxes and the winnings have become a living nightmare for them…

As the spirit told me, one should have a different set of values than creating their own nightmare on purpose.

Go back and read EAs statement about this very subject.

Maxx


#11

Hi Maxx,

You brought up a very solid point about privacy and I can see how that could potentially be a source of torment and downfall in one’s life if they are not ready or willing to have their private life on display and to be under scrutiny by other established wealthy families and individuals not to mention the media and whatnot.

There would perhaps be a few options if this happened;

  • Channel the money into a small business where a person could have more flexibility of working hours and live more autonomously but still blending in like the average Joe.

*Go traveling for a while to avoid being put under the spotlight until you could figure out how to slip back in to society under the radar with a good plan to remain somewhat anonymous if that is what is desired.

  • If you have a person of friend you could trust to take the spotlight and be the front man for your empire while you remained in the shadows obviously paying them enough to stick to whatever story you decide to run with.

Perhaps sticking to a regular job or career is a better option for some as it’s easier to blend in and then use you abilities to draw wealth to you as required or to build a substantial nest egg over time. I think for some magicians, low key is the key and way more attractive than being out in the open as a sudden acquirer of wealth and fortune. As you mentioned in the case of big lottery winners, very much a destructive outcome if unprepared or not mature enough to handle it.


#12

Actually that was not a direct thought from me…it came from a spirit I talked with about this very problem that this topic presents. The outcome of winning a large sum or coming into ownership of a large sum presents a different situation for anyone that would have it happen to them…this situation would not be a blanket set of opportunities effecting everyone in the same way. That is why the spirit showed me how it would effect my life and pointed out to me that the same process would effect defectron or Frater Apotheosis or Virdon Djinn or whomever, each very differently…as each of us would have an entirely different set of values to deal with…and I would like to add that the concepts of dealing with this problem that you presented were all great…but I would like to add that there is no way in the environment of today that you could hide anything in anyway, as there exists an element that most people do not even consider as existing. It is in charge of everything and everyone and is very close to taking complete control…there is no such thing as freedom anymore. One is sold a bill of goods to lull one to sleep while you are being bar b qued…lol…

Maxx


#13

I’ve been reading this guys blog about evocations he’s done and I think there may be some relevance to this particular subject in this particular journal entry.

http://imperialarts.livejournal.com/8379.html


#14

Now mind you guys I don’t agree with everything the guy says or how he performs his ritual but I do think something of note is here in what he records as Paimons words.


#15

sometime we should all arrange for a magic road trip to vegas where we can all put our heads together on how to get rich quick.[/quote]

I’ve won and lost money in Vegas. I’ve tried a few different things, and gotten a few different results.

There are certain types of magick that are more effective at piercing the veil in these areas, but what’s done also changes from casino to casino. The high end casinos are by far the worst to go to if you want to win money. It can be done, but it gets you a lot more attention than you want, especially if you use your psychic powers and rely on them heavily.

If you are serious about this we can talk about it more in private, I think businesses that handle a few hundred million dollars a year don’t take kindly to people tipping the odds and they have the reach to do something about it.


#16

[quote=“Maxx, post:10, topic:409”]a teacher I had contact with in the past said if a person is so strongly after riches…the spirits are not interested in delivering as the person is not ready to handle the gift…those that are ready, could care less about these riches…as that is not the sum total of importance. That is why most of those that are lottery winners are destroyed by the riches and are dead broke in a short time and still owe millions from law suits and taxes and the winnings have become a living nightmare for them…

As the spirit told me, one should have a different set of values than creating their own nightmare on purpose.

Go back and read EAs statement about this very subject.

Maxx[/quote]

It’s not the riches that are the end, their a means to an end, if I got alot of money I could move out and pursue my goals alot more freely.


#17

[quote=“Maxx, post:4, topic:409”]because of this question and the posting of this column, I asked my source about this…and for me personally, not for everyone, the answer I received back was…

That I have a different set of values than the crowd of people that I was shown in the picture with after I would became weathly…and I was shown that I would lose all privacy…other people outside of the wealthy think that the person with much money and wealth has complete control over their actions and can control their privacy…but that is not the case…everything about your life becomes open and is known by all the other wealthy people…you have no privacy…as I looked at this I began to understand what I was being shown.

but as stated, this was for me alone…and does not mean that all would be unhappy with their affairs being completely open to all people of wealth. Meaning for me to get one, I will give up the other…so entirely ones choice.

A person with little or no wealth does even merit attention from the money crowd as they do not consider you anything other than pig meat.

Maxx[/quote]

I would use such wealth to take care of the everyday things that need attention;e.g. mortgage, taxes, etc… This would eliminate the need for a job and give me the time to network and do ritual. I have more important things to do than subjugate myself working for normals that have no ambitions besides fucking, eating, and sleeping.

Tonight I am taking up the task of freeing myself from the worry of 'just getting by". Evocation is an option but there is a technique I read about that fascinates me. I will tell when I am successful.

#18

[quote=“Frater Apotheosis, post:5, topic:409”]If you have clairaudience very developed, you should ask a demon who would know this secret information and be willing to share it. I knew a sorcerer who would do this when he was drunk, and he could best hear the answers…The problem is he couldn’t always get them in the right order. I tested it once and nearly got a winning ticket for a major lotto.

Aside from that you could remote view, but games like this are rigged against magick, if you’ve ever been to a casino in Vegas, you will understand there are ways to make it very hard for people to use their abilities, and make it very hard for people to get intuitive feelings.

They run magical protection on major gambling like the lottery.

That’s my two cents at least.
-Frater Apotheosis[/quote]

It’s curious you think that magick is used by casinos. I never considered it.


#19

[quote=“Virdon Djinn, post:11, topic:409”]Hi Maxx,

You brought up a very solid point about privacy and I can see how that could potentially be a source of torment and downfall in one’s life if they are not ready or willing to have their private life on display and to be under scrutiny by other established wealthy families and individuals not to mention the media and whatnot.
As you mentioned in the case of big lottery winners, very much a destructive outcome if unprepared or not mature enough to handle it.[/quote]

Remember my friends. Most lotteries; at least those here in the US; don’t reveal your identity without permission. The real ‘problem’ if there is one will be getting all your relatives to keep quiet otherwise every tenth cousin will suddenly want to say hi.
My part purpose would be to help mages like ourselves get stronger, smarter, and be more creative. Our enemy doesn’t see us as a threat because to many of life’s everyday bs had swayed/discouraged too many mages from the path. If these problems are eliminated then the road to Godhood becomes easier.


#20

Kitari - good link! I’ve always enjoyed Paimon.

There’s another element at work here as well. Making good money is a skill unto itself. If you’ve got a marketable skill, you’re part way there but you need to learn how money works which is a different skill. I’m a chiropractor and a pretty good one at that but only when I started to become good at business did I start doing well financially.

As mages we practice learning the subtle laws of the universe while many of us ignore the laws of money. Jason Millers book financial sorcery has a good mix of ritual and practical financial advice. Harv Eckers millionaire mindset has some good hits on the mindset of the wealthy. For the self employed Gerbers emyth and Porters book yourself solid are awesome.

Another distinction that I’ve made is that making money and keeping it are two different skill sets to learn AND do ritual around.

While I’m on a soap box here, another thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of magick practitioners are amazing at emergency magick (“ahhhhh! I need to pay the rent in 3 days!”) but spend very little time working on larger timelines and strategizing. If we can manifest stuff in emergency situations, imagine the power of doing a ritual that encompasses the next 5 years - the capacity to radically alter our trajectory in a profound manner. A common coaching maxim is that We often overestimate what can be done in a year but grossly underestimate what can be done in 5. Throw the acceleration that magick creates into the mix and we now have something that can build empires.

You want money? Learn the skills about money, invoke Paimon, read Trump and talk to wealthy people (most are willing to share their advice), dump any money hangups, get a big picture and a bigger why. Then use ritual to speed up the processes that you learn and get ready for one hell of a ride!