Why are Casinos & Prostitution esteemed in the occult?

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People here will widely accept that “parasites” exist who feed on unhappiness etc., while stating that demons are like Santa with horns and a naughty side.

In fact it’s possible the original concept of reducing ancient gods like Wadjet, who is almost certainly the demonic Duke Buné, to “demon” status and then specifying they ONBLY be called for things which are, on the bigger-picture, likely to create loosh, is about desecrating the protectors of humanity and the world (including animals) and forcing them to only feed on that kind of stuff, whilst denying them any positive love and worship, of the kind that they received before, in a kind of mentoring & protective role.

Like, if I took someone’s kind old granny, and beat and tormented her for ages so she lost all sense of selfhood (desecration of ancient temples, destruction of books and names), meanwhile the only food she could get was live kittens or something, it wouldn’t take long for even the kindest of humans to break and become “evil” and begin enjoying cruelty, especially if being cruel was the only food they got.

I don;t think all demons we know of were ancient and benevolent gods etc., but a few seem to be, and it’s possible that more were nature spirits, and other beings who were not innately “evil” (as in, rejoice in malevolence & suffering), they could have been nature spirits and so on (or “just some dude” who happens to exist and got trapped into this system).

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Thank you Lady Eva for this

I used to go to a church that did a lot of exorcisms, there was many gang members there! Now I see how those entities were feeding on them and the chaotic lives they led.

I have to agree that the nature of those entities is hard to say, whether they are truly cruel or like you mentioned just need food to survive. I understand the need for love and worship they have. Hopefully, they can become more understood, studied by humans and revered in a healthy manner.

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I think that would help everyone, and also, help humans more than we currently understand.

Unlike Monroe and the whole “loosh concept” I do not believe Earth and its sentient life was created for this purpose, I think it was created to experience growth and new challenges, and this one sick stream, or current, which just wants one “crop” keeps trying to hijack that.

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I do have a bit of an issue with parts of this in relation to the reasoning that names and seals of deamons are universal when its obvious that they are not.

During my own work and reaserch its obvious that a single demonic name can hold diffrent enteties wich bear some similarites.
This is also obvious if you reaserch old folk lore.

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I would contend though that the outcome is the same, if the person is calling, and expecting, a “demon” and only commanding them to do things which overall increase the sum of human misery, as a net outcome.

The very concept “demon” = harmful = therefore called upon to do things which increase misery is the issue, and there’s no reason several beings won’t be summoned by the same name, seal, etc.

In fact the Operator wears the lamen with the name and seal, and the link between the “dark” qualities of the demon, and forces of internal weakness and so on (“sin”) that the mage must overcome, is seen quite strongly as a theme in traditional grimoire magick.

I don’t wear a name badge saying “My Name’s John” when I call my mate John for a friendly chat, so why does the mage wear the demon’s seal & name, if the name is intrinsically linked to that demon? :thinking:

It seems more likely these names are often partly a quality or resonance, which also explains why they show up with linked concepts in gematria.

And no system is perfect, or tidy, so they probably are somewhat linked, in some cases, to the true names of some of the spirits which are called.

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Not sure why you are linking work with deamons to traditional grimoire magick exclusivly.

Most enteties I work with don’t exist within the traditional grimoire tradition and are not bound within a wessel or forced by the word to do anything but rather they come freely for certain reasons.
They are not commanded within the traditions I work with but you rather ask them to grant certain things and in order to gain favors sacrifices that they require are done.

Maybe that is the reason why in my work I see diffrences between enteties with the same name.

The reason for using a seal and a name?
Well lets borrow your metaphor and say that you have three freinds named John. The seal then in a way stands for their surname so to speak.

Are all enteties belevolent to humanity? No, just like all humans don’t like humanity.

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Because I’m talking about “demons” as in, a class of beings commonly ccalled upon to do baneful or manipulative magick, not daemons, as in the ancient understanding and terminology which pre-dated the grimoires.

That is closer to my own “just some dude” method & theory.

But the magician wears it, which is why I think the seal calls on something other than the equivalent of a personal name. :thinking:

Anyway that’s a bit off-topic, so I’ll leave it there. :smiley:

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Of course is where the most energy from people run and of the dead. Mostly they search the high class life in casinos and others the fullfilling of their needs in sex centers

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I actually hadn’t noticed, and I can’t think of any off-hand associated with these things at all.

Maybe it’s because these don’t interest me so I gloss over them in reading, or because I just don’t happen to work with the same set of entities you do. I don’t know.

I do notice a common thread with entities that solve common issues - the need for money, women, influence and revenge. I would see gambling and prostitution as subsets or specific implementations of achieving some of those.

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You can also think of “gambling” as any game that involves randomness and probabilities.

In games like Blackjack, the randomness is pretty obvious. You shuffle up a deck of cards (or many of them) and then deal out hands after randomizing the elements of the game. You can look up optimal Blackjack strategies online because people who are into that sort of thing have done the math and can give you exact numbers and percentages for various game states and the probability of certain outcomes (like bust, getting 21, getting under 21) if you make a given decision (stand, hit, double down, split).

You can look up similar things for games like hold 'em poker. In poker, you know every single card that is in the deck. What you don’t know is which cards are dealt out of the deck and are held by other players. You have some information, like your own hand and what’s on the table, but the rest is unknown. This is very different from a game like chess, where there is perfect information at all times.

Games like poker, which in many ways is similar to business and investing games, reward players who can bring skill to navigating the probabilities and uncertainty inherent in the game.

If you’ve ever played poker, though, then you probably realize that the cards themselves are only a part of the game. The players themselves are also elements of the game, with their various behaviors and possible lines of play being probabilities as well.

“Gambling magick,” in my experience, can skew the odds in your favor in supernatural ways. But the thing to consider are what odds you are aiming to skew. There’s a reason casinos, which are businesses, have Blackjack tables. Statistically speaking, the house wins that game. I’ve done some gambling magick before going out for a night of Blackjack, and I could see the magick working, messing with the numbers, doing what magick does, but at the end of the day it’s like trying to dam up a tidal wave. There’s just too much naturally going against you as the player of that game, so even with magick pushing the probabilities your way, they’ll still end up in favor of the house.

That’s why I don’t play Blackjack. When it comes to money games, I prefer those that are about as formulaic and mechanical as optimal Blackjack play, but with much, much better odds (which I further manipulate with magick). If I want to experience the pleasure of playing a complex, difficult game, I don’t play Blackjack. If I want to make some money, though, I put my chips onto the table where I know my odds are good.

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The desire for sex & money never ceases lol

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This is really interesting, thank you. I definitely would love to use some magic for my lottery games lol

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A god of opportune moments and not just luck would be useful for Blackjack and game of Chance.

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Interest in the occult usually stems from the lack of control a person is able to have on a situation by normal means. It’s always been that way. It’s not the activity sparking interest, it’s desperation for relief.

I swear, hispanic cultures are something else. lol They have an idol for literally everything. Hell, they’ve even got idols for drug trafficking. lol

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@Cherry2 @Sar

You can literally gamble for fun if you want, but the point of my post was really to say that there are games out there where you can really make good money instead of getting milked dry by the casino.

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Tried to ask the house entity itself to be more generous and charitable?

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I don’t actually notice a lot of drug dealers and prostitutes in the occult. I feel that people in the information technology fields seem to outnumber them, at least in the circles I run into. I guess there isn’t much difference between being a prostitute, a drug dealer, or working in IT. (just kidding people haha)

Actually, I think this is because information technology is a field where people are working towards changing their environment and access to information, so it is essentially the mundane equivalent of magick.

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That’s interesting
That magic and Techies working together. The media tries to oppose them so hard

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Yeah, good luck with that one lmao.

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Im disappointed in every single one of you

AHEM

“You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em
Know when to fold ‘em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you’re sittin’ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin’
When the dealin’s done
Every gambler knows
That the secret to survivin’
Is knowin’ what to throw away
And knowin’ what to keep
'Cause every hand’s a winner
And every hand’s a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep”

  • The Gambler, Kenny Rogers
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