What really irritates me? People who need demons for everything

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Hi all,

So this has been building up within me for some time now and that is people who constantly need a demon for absolutely everything.

It really is annoying to read posts of people who want demons to do even the smallest things for them. Once I read a post by someone needing a demon to give them a social life.

Then there was another girl who needed a demon so…..her boyfriend would notice her more.

I’ve just seen a post by someone who wants to be posessed by a demon.

Then the other day I saw the ultimate request. Some random guy on the Demonolatary forums on reddit wanted to play video games with a demon. He wanted to play each game in the Hitman series and have the sigil of the demon next to the mouse.

You really couldn’t make this stuff up.

Look folks, working with demons is serious business. Its not for silly little requests. The demons are not cosmic vending machines.

The man who couldn’t get a social life? He could have just joined a club. The girl and her boyfriend? Just wear a nice dress. There is no need to get demons involved over something so simple.

I’m just saying that people really do need to go into this with a sensible mind and not like children.

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So what? Why do you let it bother you?

Do they? What other people want to do is hardly your business, and it’s not up to you to dictate thier approach to anything - you don’t know them, you have no responsibility for them. No one is making you read their posts or try to help them. Let them find out the hard way, or LARP to thier hearts content, that’s thier choice.

You’re not the thought police, but you’re the one who’s being put out of equilibrium by it. They probably have no idea they’re living rent-free in your head.

I’d suggest some shadow work to figure out why this is a negative thing for you and use it as a growth opportunity to know yourself better.

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I can respect what your saying Mulberry and I will not say that you are wrong with your views on the matter.

My opinion though is that there are alot of people entering into magick for the wrong reasons. They think it is a quick fix for them and if it does end up going horribly wrong, they usually end up on the Jesus bus pretty quickly.

I think that if you want to do Demonolatry or other forms of magick, you should go into it with the right intentions. It is serious stuff.

I do have the right to my opinion as well on the matter.

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Of course - the same rules apply to you too, right? If they are allowed thier approach, so too are you allowed yours - why do you apply a different standard to yourself?

It just doesn’t sound like you’re terribly happy - I don’t like being irritated, myself - and as a mage, that means energy blocks, and energy blocks interfere with ascension - and you are posting on a site called Become a Living God that is all about your ascension

I don’t think there’s a “wrong” reason to find magick. It’s thier reason, and that reason is only wrong in your judgement, for them it’s all they know at the time and it gives them hope and action when otherwise they feel disempowered and helpless.

Many of those people do fade off, based on the same kinds pf people on THIS forum - it doesn’t “usually” go “horribly wrong”, usually nothing happens and they just don’t post again. If you looked at the statistics and have data I’d reconsider by I’m on this forum every day and I think your worry is founded on a real phenomenon, but not as bad as all that.

If it does go horribly wrong - and it can and does - THOSE guys usually stay and [post about it, and get help (well, we try here anyway) so you could also be seeing a disproportionate set of metrics as the people who fade off don’t get noticed much.

they usually end up on the Jesus bus pretty quickly.
This seem irrelevant - Christian magick is still powerful magick, and while I personally dislike religion, I can’t fault anyone as long as they don’t use mere dogma as an excuse to jugde and/or hurt others.

In this respect you are no different from the “Jesus bus” people who judge, because you’re judging them as a monolithic group right back. Isn’t that kind of hypocritical?

Why should they? Dogmatic reasons? Now me, I despise Demonolatry - replacing Jesus with “demons” is not different or better. I wish it and other stupid religions didn’t exist. But I am not irritated by those who follow it - people must go thier own way and find out in thier own time.

You have no idea what journey they are on, or why they are at the point they are…

What that means, is most of your irritation is projection - you have invented something about these people to judge and get pissy about, and done this to yourself. You’re being your own worst enemy here.

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I don’t think that’s a bad thing actually, let them naturally remove themselves from the occult, it was never meant to be for the entire planet to practice anyways. :smiling_face:

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By the way, I did nearly unlist this as off topic or the forum - we are about discussing our personal practice, not so much about judging random other people on off-forum sites that we don’t know anything about.

I have made it about you and your personal practice to keep the topic open, as I think that’s the most relevant part about this whole conversation. It’s not about t hem - this is your issue, for you to understand and solve really. there’s no reason for you to be irritated, and I’ve explained why it’s not the best for you.

So you started a discussion and you’ve got one. Maybe others will agree, maybe they won’t, but I do ask you to remember where you are, and make your posts here about YOUR magick.

I suggested one way… there are many - including entities… unless that could as “running to demons” for things you think people shouldn’t, and then maybe not because you would want to walk your talk right?

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I would also just add, you were the one that said:

So which is it, do “people” not call on help enough or too much? When is it actually ok by you?

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I often agree with you @Mulberry … But I kind of side with @Kansik if for nothing else, than some people really are clueless when it comes to working with demons or angels, or Enochian.

Working with Angels with a mindset that they all adore us as gods creation, until we start evoking them and the neighbors get smoked; as it appears the neighbors irritate the angels in an Old Testament manner.

So it can be with demons.

So someone gets a copy of Demons of Magick, sese powers Andras can bestow, think it’s easy peasy and safe as a box of kittens until the high magick has gigantic holes, and the practitioner gets smoked.

I think what the OP is saying is High Magick is serious business - as is Low Magick, or Planetary Magick or Enochian magick.

Grimoires exist due to laying down the trial and errors ancient magi endured, until producing a working system.

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I don’t think you read what I said: I’m not disputing whether his assessment of these unknown people is tight or wrong, in fact I said we get people on BALG forums also here only for a quick fix.

My point is twofold:

  1. It’s not useful or helpful to get irritated about it, in fact it’s personally detrimental to the OP, and serves him not.

  2. and it’s not any of our business to be judging random others, talking about them behind thier back, and getting on our high horses about what is honestly very understandable human behavior.

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I do somewhat agree. Some people do tend to run to demons for everything. They also think demons are fluffy pink teddy bears or anime characters that are their “bae” and treat them like a child would a stuffed animal. They are so desperate for any kind of connection that they force spirits into this weird kind of co-dependent relationship.

Such people do not treat magick as a serious practice; it’s more escapism and ego inflation than anything else. I’ve also noticed a similar mindset within the subliminal, manifesting, and shifting communities on reddit, where they run to find the perfect subliminal for everything in life (or to run away from it) and then will turn around and blame the subliminal because they stubbed their toe getting out of bed or had a bad dream. They take Neville Goddard’s “don’t lift a finger” out of context and think it means they don’t have to do anything to get what they want.

However, I myself have been told by both demons and angels to not to take magick too seriously, that it should be approached with wonder, joy, and a bit of awe. Magick should be about expanding life, not running away from it. I have come to believe that magick is in fact play, but one should play seriously, which means learning the fundamentals and developing your skills.

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This. Like playing and study. Some time it’s playing time and other is very serious. Words of wisdom.

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To begin with, I will give Mulberry respect with what she is saying. There is a good point to be made about being judgemental, especially for people such as ourselves that do study the arts which mainstream society in general rejects.

However, there is a fine line I think between serious practioners and those who grasp at magick for the smallest of things.

Take BALG for example. There is alot of useful information on here and plenty of wisdom to be shared by many experienced practioners. It is a treasure fountain of knowledge.

Yet unfortunately many threads here are drowned out by the “I need a demon to do x, y and z” crowd. Some of these people really do take the intellectual edge away.

To give an example, its the equivalent of saying “I need a demon to go to the toilet”. Like literally.

I think in Occult communities there really should be a strong message of “you don’t need a demon or angel to do everything for you.” It probably would be a great service to these people.

Once again this is just my opinion.

Also Mulberry, in regards to that post I made years ago, I was discussing about spiritual help in regards to technological and social advancement. I would say that there has been a strong influence to be sure yet we have done things ourselves too.

Yet these are the big tasks. When it comes to absolutely small mundane things, I don’t think the spirits are highly involved in that role of our development.

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I agree with using demons for small things that you don’t really need demons for.

But I disagree with the more social aspect of it all.

If people feel the need to befriend these entities, then let them. A strong bond with them can be very beneficial for your spiritual growth.

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Yeah I mean I’m not against Demonolatry if people are building that bond that is essential to them. I think in Pagan terms that is fine, I don’t have any issues with that.

Just the people that run around like headless chickens needing a demon to wipe their own backside. That is what I’m ultimately critical of.

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I Agree Totally.

People have to realize these are demons.

Yes they are some good and bad demons depending on your request but in the end they are demons others might say they are even deities because of the immense knowledge they posses that no other human has been able to achieve.

But when requesting from them requests should be genuine and serious.

Besides demons wont just leave other genuine requests to send out their legions to attend to small requests which sometimes didnt have a serious offering like your essense .

They also only respond to serious committed people who really seek to build a relationship with them.

Unless you are looking at Ceremonial magick but then you risk chances of either losing your health or the most valuable thing you possess if you dont treate them properly with respect .

Even then you may still get a slap if they get summoned out of will.

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I agree with this sentiment. Most LHP witches I’ve met were never real impressive people compared to most religious people I’ve met.

Of course they’ll say they don’t care about other’s opinions of them or just chasing money. But they sing praise when they accomplish damn near anything with these spirits. So it does indeed matter to them.

Often times it makes me question if I ever needed the occult at all to do anything. Just good sense, stability, and discipline seems enough. Nonetheless, most of the occult characters I’ve met don’t seem real grounded in those departments. Even if so, it’s nothing I couldn’t get with a religious path anyway.

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These are great points to consider.
Until you’ve bound your emotions (so emotions can be reset at the drop of a dime), it’s not helpful to get worked up.

What others do by evoking demons, or linking dna to demons, is their circus and barrel of monkeys to deal with.

I’m one to talk, as I have worked with a Demonolatrist as a tutor, and nearly got pacted with someone who is a bit excited easily. By placing blood on a wand and trying to evoke him, it is my circus to deal with. If I could go back in time I would have read Norman Vincent Peales Positive Thinking, and bought a book of one liner jokes. This illustrates that since I burnt a bridge with that tutor, I likewise could’ve bugged him for a get the ex back ritual rather than trying to better myself and “run into” the ex in some supernatural manner, and engage the ex in conversation.

I guess what I’m getting at is small bits of self improvement can go a long way, and you don’t adopt a demonic care bear against it’s will.

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