Vihko's self-reflection topic

Normally, my memory is incredibly weak, but I never forget these days.

I met Rosier 5 years ago. At the time, I was trying demons one by one. One demon each night; if one caught my interest, I would talk and chat with them, and that was it. I also used to play a lot of chess back then. I had the standard conversation I had with every demon with Rosier and finished. I turned on my computer and went to a chess site. Rosier kept talking to me while I was playing chess, and I thought, “Sure, why not?” I stopped thinking and started making the moves he told me, one by one. Checkmate on the 15th move. I won. It was a miraculous event for me. Incredible. Then I went in again. Same result.

After that, I became obsessed with Rosier. I worked with him every day for 2 years, every night at 3 AM. I had a lot of free time back then, and I didn’t have a career or a job. Just Rosier. I experienced these things one after another, and I still can’t fully make sense of them:

I fell in love. But not with someone, and not with something. I was simply feeling love. It was neutral, yet it felt both like an immense power and like an illness. There was no one meaningful in my life at the time. There were girls around me, beautiful girls, and I showed them affection, but I didn’t pursue a relationship with any of them. Gradually—I don’t know whether it was my perception changing or a gift he gave me—but I started hearing other people’s inner voices. If someone swore at me behind my back, I would genuinely hear it as if they had said it directly into my ear, and I would react to it. Or if someone was thinking about me, I would know that they were thinking about me, and even what they were thinking, almost as if I could hear it in the way they themselves thought it. It was incredibly maddening. It still is.

But for some reason, it happens with far fewer people now. Maybe because my circle has become smaller, or maybe because my connection with people and with the world has weakened. And no, I didn’t become schizophrenic. I asked, I questioned it, and everything really did turn out to be true. Sometimes, when someone wanted to reach out to me, I would wake up from sleep and look at their message within seconds. I still can’t deal with that. Especially lately, there are times when I feel like a leaf being tossed from side to side by other people’s will.

Then he started becoming much stricter with me. He wanted me to immediately use and test everything he taught me. For example, he would give me a technique or tell me to change something about myself. I had seconds to respond to his request. If I didn’t answer, or if I didn’t do what he wanted, I would immediately be subjected to some form of punishment. It could be the severing of my connection with a friend, or simply a whip directly against me, pain. Little by little, as I got used to it, I developed a military-level discipline. I started fulfilling everything. With every thing I fulfilled, I became a little stronger, a little more superior. I even remember going to a friend’s house through astral projection, and they literally suffocated. My energy wasn’t dark or evil or anything like that; I suffocated them with light, with a positive, dominant force, simply by existing there through projection.
I started losing this power, however, once I acquired the power I talk about later in the text.

Then he gave me a technique. I have always called it “lower energy.” Even after 5 years, I still haven’t fully grasped what it is. Maybe you can help me understand it. I can use it to a certain extent, but I still haven’t been able to make any worldly use of it. Around that time, all help stopped, my circle disappeared, my friends disappeared, and I ended up with a girlfriend who had schizoid disorder. Whenever I called Rosier, some malicious entity would come instead and hurt me, and I couldn’t make any sense of what was happening. It’s probably still a technique he expects me to completely master. He wants me to learn that technique 100%. This last part has been a process spanning several years.

The technique is simply this:

You know how in magic, energy is generated or drawn, an intention is given to it, and then it is sent. Here, there is no energy, no intention, and no “sending.” In this technique, there is only will. You direct your will toward a plane, and your will causes that plane to change. At the same time, when this technique is invoked, the concept of space disappears. It becomes something like being the will of the universe itself.

The only way I’ve been able to use this technique effectively is for fighting. For example, the way I’ve used it most often is this: if I know of a force that would genuinely destroy entity X, instead of summoning that force, I simply use my will to make that energy form there, at the location where entity X is. And poof—the effect is as if I had actually obtained that force and directed it there. The entity gets harmed or destroyed. I can adjust the amount as well, and it doesn’t exhaust me. Unless I’m dealing with extremely complex and powerful entities, I’ve become proficient enough that I can handle pretty much anything on my own.

But the world… When I look at everything through this lens, everything in the world seems so incredibly complicated. For example, the effect required to make someone think in a specific way—should I call it the “neuron sequence,” or a thought structure, the form I want that thought to take—it simply never transforms into what I want. Worldly techniques, spells, etc. also seem far too complicated to replicate through this technique. And the more I devote myself to this technique, the farther away from the world I feel.

I get this feeling of “I am the universe.” I get this feeling of “I can rule over everything.” But I can’t rule over anything. I can only kill the motherfuckers who dare to come after me.

And recently I realized that I genuinely can’t perform worldly magic. I can’t do magic using my own energy. Before all of this, however, when I would focus on my own energy, give it my intention, and designate snapping my fingers as a trigger, I would immediately see the effect when I sent the energy out.

I know I’m more powerful than I was years ago, but I feel just as useless. I still can’t do it.

For the last 2 years, I’ve been handling things in the world through Ishtar and what she has given me, but she’s not exactly reliable either. She’s never a bad person, she’s just extremely busy. Frequently very busy. It often seems like she constantly takes on as much work as her capacity can possibly handle, and then uses whatever scraps of time and energy remain to deal with the world and people’s affairs. Naturally, she’s not eager to fulfill every request I make.

Despite everything, she is also an incredible entity. She tells me where and when I need to be, and whenever I show up, I meet completely new people and experience all kinds of interesting events. She has provided me with extremely powerful rituals and spells, yet they are manageable enough that even someone like me can use them.

But I’m still hungry. Hungry for power. Hungry for the ability to make something happen simply by saying “be.” Hungry to become like Rosier—to be able to make something happen just because he says “be,” and to be able to do the same. I can never do it. I’m hungry for the ability to control the will of every entity with my own will, the way he can. But I don’t possess the perception of the universe necessary for that, and whenever I try to acquire it, I feel like I can no longer exist as a human being.
Ever since I learned this technique, I haven’t been able to have any meaningful communication with Rosier either.

I also think that if I want power in this world, I need to completely abandon this technique, forget it, and start everything from scratch. But it feels far too valuable to me, so I can’t bring myself to give it up.

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I don’t know the precise name of this capacity but I did see it replicated in a few psychics I’ve met. Not sure if it’s just ‘telepathy’ but it’s an uncontrolled empath way of sensing other’s thoughts, emotions, energies and so on. That ability, in the last individual who claimed to possess it that I talked to, was apparently activated after developing a very deep psychic bond with someone (namely his girlfriend), eventually they parted away but he kept that ability later on.

The concensus of most people who have that capacity is that they don’t consider it a blessing but a curse, that it’s generally impossible to control and gets easily overwhelming. As such I don’t think you became schizophrenic.

I do find that a bit strange however. I can only give theory since I have not that much practice with spirits categorized as demons, but i’m fairly certain that the moment any spirit tries to impose something on you and fear-monger or tries to harm you in some way to make you comply, that it could be a high-level imposter or parasite assuming the form of Rosier, but that’s just a theory.

You said it yourself that in these last few years you felt like you lost power in general magic and all that remains is this ace-in-the-hole technique that still ends up siphoning everything you had.

You lost friends, and you say that when you try to learn the claimed Rosier capability, you feel like you no longer exist as a human being. And you said that the more you use the technique ‘Rosier’ gave you the more isolated from the world you become. It’s not really an easy feat, if that’s even possible, to control the will of other free-willed individuals. You can steer it, definitely, but never fully control them.

If the entity claiming to be Rosier claimed that it is possible to mentally control others fully, then it’s likely a lie, a carrot on a stick. I find it very strange that a demon of love would instead abuse you and put up so many constraints, making you feel even worse than years ago. Genuine entities don’t do that nor do they ask for your submission, if you tell them to fuck off then they will unless you fear them.

You have hunger and yet lost much, and feel useless. I could be wrong, as always with what I say, but it seems to me you may have been misguided by an entity claiming to be Rosier. As far as I know Rosier is a demon of love and seduction, claimed to be quiet, pleasant, there’s this thread detailing him and in my opinion it does diverge a lot from the entity you had a bond with in my opinion.

A spirit specializing in X generally only wants to do X or else is bad at doing otherwise, and the spirit here that was with you gave you a technique to impose will, and yet makes you totally dependent on it, and the timing coincides with you losing the opposite of what he is supposed to bring, on top of not really making you understand what it is? It seems to me like a trojan horse and the end goal is making you totally dependent on that parasitic-like bond.

Very big difference with the usual Rosier. In my opinion you met an imposter claiming to be Rosier, he lowered your guard over time and created the link by giving you chess moves to act as a ‘friend’, and then isolating you from everything else and forcing your submission to a category of spirit that normally love independence and individuality, not dependence. And all of that for years without much improvement.

But it’s fine, it is fixable anyway, if you realize what it may have been, accept to turn the page and use it as a lesson to depend on yourself first and foremost, and then reconnecting with your past practices before that, or learning new ones. It may be hard at first but it’ll get easier over time, trust me.

I definitely agree. It may not be easy to give up but a single technique does not make up the entirety of the field of possibility and magic. There are techniques that bring you far more benefits than this one does, and they don’t even require you to sacrifice anything, even, they amplify positive effects in your life.

But that’s just my opinion, you don’t have to abide by it if you don’t want to.

Rosier never claimed to have full control over will, but the Rosier I knew never did anything himself. When I asked him for a chant for power, for example, he gave me Astaroth’s chant. When I had a problem, he sent me a demon. He never did anything himself, and he always seemed to have authority over them. And the chants I received, as well as the ones sent to me, were all legit—I verified them. Maybe this entity I called Rosier isn’t actually the Rosier we know. That could very well be, because I can’t come up with another theory. After all, why would he string me along for years?

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There’s another critical difference: as far as I’ve read in texts, this Rosier should be some kind of minor demon, but the one I saw was a colossal, yellow god. I even remember when I summoned him with a friend, his mere presence—his density—crushed us. We only lasted a very short time

I am someone who has worked with both Ishtar and Satan, and I have never experienced this caliber of power from anyone.

He had a face resembling the masks worn by the Aztecs, and he seemed to be just a head—instead of a body, there was some kind of paper, cloth, or receipt paper

Of course, I’m not disrespecting Ishtar or Satan here—both of them bent reality as I know it, they were ridicilously powerful.

This could be Glamour magic, a spirit is able to shift form, appear more beautiful or more powerful than they really are. Not a far stretch that high-level imposters would be able to do that in my opinion.

If it were just a visual spectacle, I would definitely agree with you—I’ve encountered what you’re talking about many times. Rainman, for example, loves to do that.
Oh btw, never call upon rainman, he’s a huge asshole.
He got me my driver’s license, but still, he’s a manipulative, colossal piece of shit.

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I believe it extends to the ‘aura’ conveyed. It would not make sense a low tier demon would be able to have one more powerful than a King of Hell or a deity in my opinion, unless it has been purposefully engineered to appear more powerful and as such with more authority, to better use you the way it wants to.

I’m very curious what exactly that thing I encountered was. It’s obvious I came across something very different from the Rosier everyone documents. But what could it be? I’ll give a bit more distinguishing information.

When it came, and when my other friends called it, in every case, a very small yet very potent, dense particle would arrive.

Moreover, the Rosier I know is extremely difficult to talk to. For example, when you ask Satan a question, you can get paragraphs of response. But with ‘Rosier,’ even putting it into sentences is hard—you get a few words, and the answer comes as information that’s difficult to decipher.

At the same time, I also followed this ‘Rosier’ on the astral plane. For instance, when I found Satan, he was somewhat more clearly formed—I could see him and have a conversation, just like another astral structure. With ‘Rosier,’ however, I always saw a cloud—some kind of nebula. But this wasn’t an energy; it seemed like a field of consciousness, a sphere of influence. He didn’t seem to have a clear body of his own. And inside this cloud, this nebula, there were the 'Rosier’s I saw—a massive cloud containing his own clones, all clearly the same entity—some kind of hive mind.

My interaction with him was really, really long. If he were truly something evil, I think the great gods and entities, ballers would have definitely done something—after all, I had serious dedication to these practices back then.

If you mean a particle dropping physically on matter, it would mean that the spirit in question is very close to the physical astral realm to begin with and not so much above/beyond it, which is again a characteristic of astral parasites.

Typical again since most genuine spirits don’t shy away from conversation in the face of genuine inquiry, unless they have very good reasons to do so. A parasite would lose everything if he were to talk too much and as such reveal by inadvertance/unintentionally that he has very limited knowledge, being a parasite and not a high-ranking spirit.

Same thing here again, genuine spirits have an astral coherence and a set identity, a parasite has less capacity to form oneself into the astral as far as I remember, they live in a boundary between the physical world and the astral.

The clones of his, the hive mind, appear to me in my opinion like a conglomerate of parasites (like a real hive), because i’ve never heard that described about other demons or deities etc.

Not unless you explicitly ask them. It would be a mistake to assume that because of practice demons and deities would necessarily give a shit about a practitioner in its entirety. They answer to his will if he requests something but outside of that they can be very amoralistic. Many other people on BALG have said that as well, neither demons or angels are particularly “good” spirits even if they can be helpful. If you ask them to destroy someone, they very well might, regardless of the reason. It would be a waste for them to help everyone on a topic they did not request, which would be a violation of free will.

Again it’s mostly just my opinion. But based on the overwhelmingly parasite-like information you gave about the entity claiming to be rosier, i’m 90% sure it was an astral parasite/high-level imposter and not the actual rosier.

Sometimes spiritual connections can be hijacked even if you use the right sigils or enns and so on. It happened quite a few times on BALG based on other threads as well. I would assume it is what happened, especially considering that you summoned many demons a day after the other which would lead to quite the accumulation of energy attractive to astral parasites.

When I put all the puzzle pieces together, here’s the theory that emerges:

In short:
A massive parasite tried to incorporate me into its hive mind, and it failed.
My interaction with him actually resembles something like: grapes darken by looking at other grapes.
The more I interacted with him, the more I started to resemble his structure—I too began to become a sort of hive mind in my own way.

This actually explains why my structure start to change as soon as I encountered Ronove.
I’m already a person who is very inclined to take inspiration from and imitate everything I see. Unless the technique is very advanced, I can imitate what other entities do very effectively. It’s not unlikely that I would change myself after observing someone for a long time.

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I wonder if anyone on this forum can confirm this?

I would be more of the opinion that this astral parasite tried to put you in a state of total dependency so it could feed off energy, reverence and attention from you, the three of those being high-value resources for parasites (and in good amount if one ends up in your situation because of said parasite. The purpose of a system is what it does after all).

It could try to bring you into its hive but I find that a bit more complex than just feeding off of you (the simplest explanation is sometimes the right one).

The main and only important thing is that you recognized that it is a parasite, all that remains now is to detach yourself from it, banish it, move on and reconnect with your own power, in my opinion.

I don’t know—Satan doesn’t have a fixed identity either. He’s a god/entity so close to humans that he comes to a person in any shape or form.

It feels like I received too much during the process just for attention or energy, so I found it logical for him to incorporate me into himself.

What I meant by set identity is that the overall appearance and shape and expression of it is generally coherent and consistent with a few differences at most, it has structure; and not instead a bodyless nebula made up of its own clones and no real body.

The parasite only gave you enough to keep you tied to it, if you try to picture yourself as a parasite preying on a specific human, if you constantly take and take without giving the illusion of giving back even the target itself gives up on that bond to look elsewhere. Give and pull back, known manipulation technique.

Then again I don’t think the goal of the parasite is important, only what you decide to do about what has been occurring until now is.

No, I understand very well what you’re trying to say, but there’s a limit to it. What I mean is, any entity that has been involved enough with humans would want to talk to humans and sustain its existence through them. I understand the manipulation path you’re talking about very well, but I can’t fit what I’ve experienced into that. Maybe it’s because I’ve just started thinking this way about this subject. I’m not sure.

An entity can and will resort to tough methods for your own good as well.

Anyway, at the end of the day, what happened already happened, and even if I wanted to, I can’t reach him anymore. It’s time to focus on current goals.

I think it is a good idea to ask a spirit whether or not the entity you work with is a parasite or not.

You can’t get help with highly sophisticated parasites, because the very thing you call upon to verify could be the same parasite. That’s why I’m asking if someone here could take a look at this

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