Using substances for altered states


#1

Hi all,

I was just wondering why would it be wrong to use some mild form of a substance to help one achieve altered states of conscientiousness?

I believe for me it will help and eventually I would ween off use of the substance and be able to do it on my own.

What are some forms of “mild” altering substance one can use to achieve this?

Thanks,

Sacha


#2

So, you want drugs?

There are people that swear for cannabis.

I have recently tried the flower of datura and it do help in focus and heightening the astral senses.

Mushrooms are powerful too, and depending on your area, easy to get.

LSD, some Cactus (thought this is better do it inceremony for specific purposes).

Anyway, all I can say is that it is better do things without substances… is like paying for hoes, at first is cool, you don’t have to effort to get numbers or date or whatever, but after a while you’re not even able to get a number or have a propper date… because the brain itself neglects the necesary connections for getting a reproductive partner, just like when you stop using your muscles and get weak and fat again.

Is not worth it, and you can aslo do magick with easily attainable “altered state” (Theta-Gamma Synch). If simple staring at a sigil doesn’t do the trick for you, you can try dramatically changing your enviroment and clothes, make some excersise, and fast a bit before ritual and meditate a while with the mudra of movement (touching tips of the thumb, middle and point fingers while the other two touch the palm). That will easily get you in high awareness.

Using “little wheels” in the bike is not that cool. But if you still want to do it, I’ll say coffee combained with weed or just a few doses of datura flower (it gets you deep trance for small time but it kind of hurt your body while doing so).


#3

[quote=“Godesslives, post:1, topic:2492”]Hi all,

I was just wondering why would it be wrong to use some mild form of a substance to help one achieve altered states of conscientiousness?

I believe for me it will help and eventually I would ween off use of the substance and be able to do it on my own.

What are some forms of “mild” altering substance one can use to achieve this?

Thanks,

Sacha[/quote]

It depends on what you mean by ‘mild’…

https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

Then of course the Alexander Shulgin family of tryptomines:

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal.shtml

Or you could just skip the foreplay and go right into dissociatives…


#4

Oh Gnosis… that’s what every neuron wants to hear lol


#5

[quote=“Gnosis, post:3, topic:2492”][quote=“Godesslives, post:1, topic:2492”]Hi all,

I was just wondering why would it be wrong to use some mild form of a substance to help one achieve altered states of conscientiousness?

I believe for me it will help and eventually I would ween off use of the substance and be able to do it on my own.

What are some forms of “mild” altering substance one can use to achieve this?

Thanks,

Sacha[/quote]

It depends on what you mean by ‘mild’…

https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml

Then of course the Alexander Shulgin family of tryptomines:

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal.shtml

Or you could just skip the foreplay and go right into dissociatives…[/quote]

Like wild lettuce. I heard of a incense that helps but not sure of all the herbs in it; I think cinnamon was in it.

Thanks

G


#6

Oh Gnosis… that’s what every neuron wants to hear lol[/quote]

Say bye-bye to the neuron’s and enter a state of pure consciousness by reduction of neuronic stimuli, becoming pure spirit by clearing the ‘noise’.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Category:Dissociatives&redirect=no

I’ve made no-shit poltergeist activity happen on one of these by performing the invocation of omnipotence exercise[from E.E.], and releasing thoughtforms and energy into the world. I’m not telling which one, half the fun is figuring it out.

[B]DISCLAIMER[/B]

Everything said on this forum is for entertainment purposes only, drugs are bad, mmmmmk.


#7

Oh Gnosis… that’s what every neuron wants to hear lol[/quote]

Say bye-bye to the neuron’s and enter a state of pure consciousness by reduction of neuronic stimuli, becoming pure spirit by clearing the ‘noise’.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Category:Dissociatives&redirect=no

I’ve made no-shit poltergeist activity happen on one of these by performing the invocation of omnipotence exercise[from E.E.], and releasing thoughtforms and energy into the world. I’m not telling which one, half the fun is figuring it out.

[B]DISCLAIMER[/B]

Everything said on this forum is for entertainment purposes only, drugs are bad, mmmmmk.

[/quote]

As Gnosis’ thoughtform I can confirm this.

You gave me an idea Gnosis…Damn I love you people!


#8

when it comes to spiritual work, psilocybin and cannabis seem to have the best effect for those in the beginning stages. Theyre not completely overpowering and will give a good peek behind the veil while letting you actually comprehend what youre experiencing. With practice and and incorporation into your rituals, it can be taken much farther while still retaining some aspect of control.

In my experience, most other substances are too overpowering and put you into an altered state or even altered dimension too quickly for you to keep your footing and actually do work while its all happening. Pure DMT users bitch about this quite often. The trick is to wade in slowly and get a feel for your surroundings before just diving into the deep end.

On the other hand, there’s something to be said about sobriety in ritual. If you know what you’re doing, adjusting the levels of serotonin, dopamine, tryptamine and melatonin in your brain can lead to some extremely powerful experiences.

Try it all, find out what works for you and remember, all things in moderation. Including moderation!