Things our society has lost or forgotten: could true magick be one?

I’m gonna bookmark this. Some extremely helpful information here. Thanks for sharing Lady eva!


I only started it recently began it and have yet to become keto adapted. I think it will have a positive effect for the same reason it can help with brain function(increase in noradrenaline/norepinephrine levels in brain and blood which definitely helps with ADHD)… only time will tell.


Thanks for the positive comments folks!

You’ve probably already heard how “In the past, people believed the earth was flat” is modern hokum, but, just in case, here’s a timeline:

Please keep us posted how it goes! I really did wonder about this change, probably one of the largest changes to the brain’s “biosphere” possible and would love to hear whether you find it helps or whatever, I wonder whether the value of fasting isn’t (partly, I mean aside from the willpower/attachment etc. stuff) that it forces the body to burn fats instead of recently ingested carbs, and if there’s a kick over to ketone bodies, and you notice any differences, would really love to hear your experiences please.


More stuff related to the topic of what was passed along as “mythology,” and which later turned out to be true:

Research findings back up Aboriginal legend on origin of Central Australian palm trees

The scientific world is stunned by research which backs an Aboriginal legend about how palm trees got to Central Australia.

Several years ago Tasmanian ecologist David Bowman did DNA tests on palm seeds from the outback and near Darwin.

The results led him to conclude the seeds were carried to the Central Desert by humans up to 30,000 years ago.

Professor Bowman read an Aboriginal legend recorded in 1894 by pioneering German anthropologist and missionary Carl Strehlow, which was only recently translated, describing the “gods from the north” bringing the seeds to Palm Valley.

Professor Bowman said he was amazed.

“We’re talking about a verbal tradition which had been transmitted through generations possibly for over 7,000, possibly 30,000 years,” he said.

"Just an amazing coincidence that we’d independently concluded that the seeds had been transported and then subsequently we discover an Aboriginal legend is exactly what we found scientifically.

"The concordance of the findings of a scientific study and an ancient myth is a striking example of how traditional ecological knowledge can inform and enhance scientific research.

“It suggests that Aboriginal oral traditions may have endured for up to 30,000 years, and lends further weight to the idea that some Aboriginal myths pertaining to gigantic animals may be authentic records of extinct megafauna.”

The research has been published in the Nature magazine.

PS I took up a ketogenic diet at the start of this year, with fabulous results on my mood and energy (lost a few pounds as well) - apparently ketone bodies and NOT glucose are the preferred food for the period when the brain undergoes its earliest and fastest growth period: Meat is best for growing brains.

From that article:

"There are multiple lines of evidence that an animal-based diet best supports human brain development in infants and young children.

… In a previous post, we wrote about the known (but little-spoken-of) fact that human infants are in mild ketosis all the time, especially when breastfed. In other words, ketosis is a natural, healthy state for infants. Infancy is a critical time for brain growth, so we expect that ketosis is advantageous for a growing brain. Otherwise, there would have been a selective advantage to reduced ketotis in infancy. This species-critical, rapid brain growth continues well past weaning. For that reason, we suggest in our article that weaning onto a ketogenic diet would probably be preferable to weaning away from ketosis."

Fascinating stuff.

(2019 update since I’m here editing some broken formatting, no longer doing keto but back to 50g - 100g carbs a day most days, this is relevant: Experiment Report : Sugar Loading Prior To Major Work)


I think the biggest thing the society has forgotten is being present in the moment. it makes me sad to see everyone looking down on their phones all the time walking on the street ignoring all the things happening around them,I have made it a rule for myself not to do this! in the elevator I get uncomfortable standing too close to people instead of using my mobile as a distraction I face the uncomfortable feeling, the only time I listen to music while walking, is when I go for walks in the park that also after the first 10 minutes of taking in all the beauty and nature around me. I’ve always been that person who sleeps 8 hours every night , and lately I have gotten in the habit of waking up really early which has given me lot of energy and I feel my aura has become really clear!


People have sleepwalked into letting their brains be rewired by a harmful symbiotic relationship, and it’s happened in a very short period of time:

One of the differences I’ve observed is the quest for a constant dripfeed of feelgood news (which extends across all political/social viewpoints) and the eternal quest for “likes,” if there’s not been anything that gives a little dopamine spike in the last few hours people start feeling on edge.

The damage this is doing is phenomenal:


The positive correlation between smartphone addiction and depression is alarming. Reasonable usage of smart phones is advised, especially among younger adults and less educated users who could be at higher risk of depression.

Social media:

Social media companies are deliberately addicting users to their products for financial gain, Silicon Valley insiders have told the BBC’s Panorama programme.

“It’s as if they’re taking behavioural cocaine and just sprinkling it all over your interface and that’s the thing that keeps you like coming back and back and back”, said former Mozilla and Jawbone employee Aza Raskin.

“Behind every screen on your phone, there are generally like literally a thousand engineers that have worked on this thing to try to make it maximally addicting” he added.

… “In order to get the next round of funding, in order to get your stock price up, the amount of time that people spend on your app has to go up,” he said.

“So, when you put that much pressure on that one number, you’re going to start trying to invent new ways of getting people to stay hooked.”

Lost time

A former Facebook employee made a related point.

“Social media is very similar to a slot machine,” said Sandy Parakilas, who tried to stop using the service after he left the company in 2012.

“It literally felt like I was quitting cigarettes.”

During his year and five months at Facebook, he said, others had also recognised this risk.

“There was definitely an awareness of the fact that the product was habit-forming and addictive,” he said.

“You have a business model designed to engage you and get you to basically suck as much time out of your life as possible and then selling that attention to advertisers.”

… Last year Facebook’s founding president, Sean Parker, said publicly that the company set out to consume as much user time as possible.

He claimed it was “exploiting a vulnerability in human psychology”.

“The inventors”, he said, “understood this consciously and we did it anyway.”

All part of progress though, something we need to adjust to? :thinking:

Adapt or die?

Well, the people peddling it sure don’t think so:


The tech elite in America are paying up to $40,000 a year to send their children to schools that enforce a back-to-basics approach. Danny Fortson reports on the screen-free education that has a new-age twist

Inside a concrete block at the top of a hill in San Francisco, 27 nine-year-olds are handed needles and ordered to sew. Across the hall, eight-year-olds churn butter by hand, while downstairs four-year-olds are busy carrying out their duties: sweeping up, washing dishes and dehydrating fruit.

This is not a child-labour camp in the heart of America’s richest city. It is a school, and among the tech crowd it has become much sought after. The San Francisco Waldorf School, you see, has a strict “no screens” policy. In fact, it is deliberately analogue.

Source: (paywalled)

2021 update, more on this, here:

The tech moguls who invented social media have banned their children from it

Silicon Valley parents are pulling the plug, reports Olivia Rudgard from San Francisco

Apple co-founder Steve Jobs was the first tech giant to admit, in 2011, that his own children had not used the recently released iPad created by his company, conceding that “we limit how much technology our kids use at home”. And he wasn’t alone: Microsoft founder Bill Gates set time limits on screens, banned mobile phones at the table and didn’t let his children have them until they were 14, while Mark Zuckerberg implored his baby daughter to “stop and smell the flowers” in an open letter to her which he released last year - one that made no mention of Facebook or even the internet.

… Yet it is unlikely that this will lead to a crisis of conscience, says Adam Alter, a professor of marketing at New York University and author of a recent book about technology addiction, because it would be "completely inconsistent with the duty they have to their shareholders - to maximise profits.

“For all the advantages they and their kids enjoy - from wealth to education - they don’t trust themselves or their kids to be able to resist the charms of the very products they’re promoting.” It would be “silly” to expect them to change, he says. “The best we can do is to try to uncover these hypocrisies and air them publicly.”


Bonus manipulation to drag you back in? yeah they do that too:

Your smartphone is making you stupid, antisocial and unhealthy. So why can’t you put it down?

The makers of smartphone apps rightly believe that part of the reason we’re so curious about those notifications is that people are desperately insecure and crave positive feedback with a kneejerk desperation. Matt Mayberry, who works at a California startup called Dopamine Labs, says it’s common knowledge in the industry that Instagram exploits this craving by strategically withholding “likes” from certain users. If the photo-sharing app decides you need to use the service more often, it’ll show only a fraction of the likes you’ve received on a given post at first, hoping you’ll be disappointed with your haul and check back again in a minute or two. “They’re tying in to your greatest insecurities,” Mr. Mayberry said.
Source:, my emphasis

In addition to this, the idea that to find information, one simply asks a question and has it answered in full: accurately, authoritatively, and with your best interests at heart, without the need for further research (something that drives many of us crazy on here btw) is leading some people to be completely unable to learn - something covered in this excellent article by Josephine McCarthy:

Obviously my own time contributing on this forum demonstrates I don’t think the internet is totally harmful, or a factory for making idiots, but anyone who is serious about progressing to real magick (instead of being a consumer who swallows whatever crap they’re fed by the first 3 search results) would do well to consider these trends, the staggering hypocrisy of the people running the tech giants, and the way in which human society can rapidly forget things that used to be common knowledge.



Stoked this thread got Necro’d. There’s just too much quality from older years on this forum :metal:

I used to experiment with alternative polyphasic sleep cycles. In 2011 I adapted to SPAMAYL and Uberman for periods of time. They were like a cheat code for college. A very interesting euphoria accompanied them. I have my data from a personal EEG machine I used somewhere. My brain would compress SWS and REM cycles into 20 minutes and I’d complete the whole cycle that way.

In 2013 I adapted to Dual-Core 1 which consisted of a 3 to 3.5 hour core sleep, 4 hours of wakefulness at night (crazy strong prolactin surge. Glorious for sexy times if you want your girl to walk funny the next day. You’ll both dig the feeling) and then another 90 minute core sleep around sunrise. Then I’d catch a 20 at noon

1st core to get my slow wave sleep. 2nd to get the lighter REM sleep. Then a 20min around noon to give me a boost.

The Interesting part? I was studying Biochem in school full time, working a job full time, getting established as a personal trainier and lifting very heavily all the time (kettlebells and powerlifting. Beats you up), oh and I also wrote a book… I had time for that too somehow…

I had boundless energy. I thought it was a fluke but I was killing it! People thought I was bipolar in a hypomanic phase but I was just doing a sleep experiment that gave me 5.3 hours a day and hitting a lot of goals really hard.

Ketogenic diets are “near ideal” for health and longevity. I thrive on them. I like them in cycles too (anabolism is really really hard without carbs and I like hearing things like “you’re built like Sully from Monsters Inc!”)

I do really well magickally on them. Great focus (though you could get this from exogenous ketones). I aggressively burn through fat while I’m on. No ancillary compounds or things that are less than legal required… Though 12lbs in 1 week was my record combining them.

I like a bit of carbs for athletics. I also love how I feel with a green juice once a week. There’s too many benefits to knock it though I will cycle off it for periods of time.

One grand bonus is 6 hours of sleep feels like 9 when I’m on. It’s great. I’m never hungry, never tired, and I feel like a dog when I’m around attractive women. Can’t say that’s a bad thing for either party involved… Though I’ve been late to meetings because I simply HAD to get someone’s number while I was on my way somewhere.

Lutenizing hormone -> Higher Test -> Drive goes through the roof -> Norski can’t leave without seeing if the waitress is single

Altogether I think it’s more than worth it. Keto + DC1 (a very ancestral sleep cycle combined with a siesta, another common human sleep pattern)

Seems to be a great way to cook it, my body more than agrees and my OCD symptoms drop too when I’m keto adapted

When I get back from Powell I’m definitely doing this again, I miss that feeling :metal:


That looks like a brilliant combination, as you said, so classic. Cheers for sharing! :+1:


One thing I learnt from being on this spiritual journey is to look inwards not outwards and definitely “NOT” downwards (to the phone , on social media looking for approval)!

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Well said. Thanks

You also once said

"And even though we live in an era where even the poorest ordinary person has access to more libraries, more arts, and entertainment, knowledge of health and nature, than even a King had just 500 years ago. – ( + all with just some mins of research ) "

The Internet is a medium; like a knife, fork somehow neutral, and all depends on how one can use it.
The size of your cup and what you are willing to fill into it. ( and yet even filling means nothing for some) . that’s what matters… :slight_smile:


This is very cool. I’ve been doing a fasting keto diet for last 6 months nearly religiously eating once per day. I would like to try this DC-1 sleep cycle as well. Never even considered sleep hacking like this. Only question is, can you get away without the 20 minute siesta at lunch? Or is it okay to have a 20 minute nap once the work is done for the day? (Like 5-6 pm?)


Also thanks @Lady_Eva for pulling me into this thread. (-; Additionally, I’m in full agreement in cutting out all the wheat gluten and sugar products. Has drastically changed my life, physically and mentally.


It’s brutally hard if you don’t. I’d do a segmented schedule and do two 3.5hr core sleeps with a 2 hour wake in the middle.

Unless you can seem to pull it off. 20min for an extra 2 hours of wake time every day (just think of how good you’d be at Magick, music, or a language if you used it…) is well worth it to me.


Holy shit! Hahaha, that’s diabolically genius.

Not that BALG (or I guess Discourse?) doesn’t also hook us to the Like dopamine-bursts, but at least there’s way less overt manipulation of info streams here. :+1:


Holy shit this is deep


Great post , doesn’t help that our society has McDonald’s every mile that slowly kills people but still pretends they’re working as fast as they can to save the world with a vaccine that’s supposedly in the best interests of people’s health :rofl:


Yeah, McDonald’s is not great, however, the fact that once in a rare while I went to McDonalds is not really going to kill me any faster.

I know I’m just chiming another point in to go along with the theme of this post , that our society normalized paradigms of diet, health treatments, and work that are so far out of alignment with how humans evolved and their natural biology


It takes serious willpower to give up social media. Even if you delete the Facebook app, you still get notifications because most phones come with it already downloaded, and I don’t think you can completely delete it.

When you are just innocently looking up pictures online, you are taken to the website only to be propositioned by their app, and many times you can’t view anymore unless you download it.

Everywhere you go, every store you walk into, there is an app being advertised to you. They know it only takes a few minutes to download it, they know you have your phone in hand and that few minutes waiting for your coffee will be used downloading it.

Every commercial you see nowadays has their actors using their phone to make things easier in relation to whatever they are selling. It’s all on your phone!

It’s become so deeply rooted in our culture that it’s actually almost unrealistic to attempt to lead a life without a smartphone. They make it nearly impossible to do certain things if you don’t have one. Some stores have even implemented an app that makes you scan a barcode to see their menu or to sign in to get their services.

It’s difficult to avoid the temptation when it is constantly shoved in your face and presented as the norm. After all, what else is there to do when you are in a room filled with people who have their eyes plastered to their phone screen to avoid the awkwardness of human interaction and how boring every day life is?

Bring a book. There are lots of pocket sized books out there. Write in your journal. Practice some mindfulness techniques or breathing exercises. Strike up a conversation with a stranger – you will both be pulled out from the hypnosis of social media for a moment to make a meaningful connection, whether it’s short-lived or not.

I’ve deleted everything (except for this site, which, admittedly, I can spend less time on) and I am a much happier person. Bored? I go on a walk, I read a book, I dance to music, I practice an instrument, I meditate, I exercise, I swim in the pool, I try to talk to birds and feed nuts to squirrels, etc. I end my day with so many more memorable and important moments that I would have completely missed out on if I hadn’t put my phone down.

You do not learn anything about yourself or the world around you when you are sucked into social media, and if you do the math, you will be horrified at how much time you have wasted by mindless scrolling.

You will notice how much more confident and self assured you are when you delete social media apps. You no longer base what you do or say on the attention or validation you will receive online. I used to find myself doing things with the sole purpose being so that I can take pictures and post about it later. What kind of a life is that to live?

It isn’t.

It may be the norm, but it doesn’t have to be your norm.


So true. And if you deviate you’ll likely be ostracized and labeled a freak. My own family will throw a hissy if I don’t eat the sugary crap they bring to holiday dinner. It’s become so annoying that I don’t go or show up late because my digestive system can’t take it.

Our society has lost a lot of plant knowledge. I’m highly allergic to Poison Ivy and live in the woods. I eat a small piece of the plant every spring to stay immune. People freak out about it but years ago it was a common practice. A nurse told me about an old timer doctor who made his own oral tincture from fresh leaves to prevent the rash. Although I found a couple references, I was unable to find any recipe so I made my own tincture. Hasn’t killed me yet and no rash!