Ok, my bad I didn’t intend to step on anyone’s ideas, especially yours. I was just offering an opinion, and I do feel in some ways that practicing (not you specifically, but generally) is a method of verification, because the more you do it, the more it becomes psychologically real. I’m not saying that a person does a particular phenomenon just to make themselves feel good, but rather a phenomenon that is assuredly attributed to spiritual force. Fuck anyone else, and I never really care if anyone other than those close to me knew about my power, and not to show off, but so that they get a better idea of how I operate.
I wasn’t trying to step on anyone’s toes here, and my fault if I did. I’m just saying that there are many ways to approach it, and I certainly wouldn’t consider one more noble or even more grandiose than another. Lottery is only chance to folks who don’t know how to navigate it, and I’m not even saying that it is a more powerful route. However, working through evocation to be able to navigate through probability to do it over and over again… I would say that is pretty worthwhile. That’s a skill with far more applications than just the lottery, like making sound investments in the stock or real estate.
I haven’t won any lottery with magic, and I didn’t really profess that I ever did. However, I do have a younger brother who has done it twice (Pick 3), and we both have received revelation for them in dreams. Neither of these times was during any more practice other than armchair contemplation, so again, I’m not here boasting about myself and my magical accolades. If I had those abilities, I probably wouldn’t be here learning from far more accomplished individuals like yourself.
However, I have made pretty fast money, and pretty good money marketing without using a single bit of magick. So for me the opportunity to make money in this manner requires no magick, or no conscious use of magick. Moreover, something like money for me a simple matter, and seems kind of crazy that people put in so much time to acquire it. I stopped marketing because it took up way too much damn time, and to get it I had to choose to make money, or focus on my health. I chose health, because what good is money to a dead dude, you know what I mean?
So for me, even if I chose a labor route for money, in which I provided some service, the specificity of what I would demand from that job would be so outlandish, I might as well try my hand at the lottery. Going a route in which I can predict things, I’m choosing to train a skill that has far more applications than just the lottery, and allows me the freedom to explore on terms that are my own. It’s not about feeling good about myself, or even needing a phenomenon to convince me personally of that power. It’s about getting my shit in a direct manner while training a very valuable human skill. I’m not having to worry about it, and I can gain independence from relying on certain economic devices to get there (i.e. needing a job or a business).
My bad for using “I” in reference to my comparison of winning the lottery over more normal devices. I was talking more about how I would be thinking if I was a person who needed convincing of my power, and even in WoD, you mention yourself that a beginner more than likely needs to convince themselves that what they are doing works, at least in most normal situations. Doing the work to gain consistent changes through magic causes a cumulative build up of spiritual force and psychologically tunes the practitioner into the reality of their power. So that’s the perspective I was taking, as if I was a person who was looking to find that reality in myself. If I, who has made pretty good money without magick, was to use magick to make money, while still needing to garner magic as a reality for me, then I would choose something like the lottery. If you can already do it without that help, then it may not do much for to create a magical psyche. I wouldn’t know, this shit has been real for me since I was 8, so I can’t speak from a perspective where it was nonsense. A whole lot of poor people dream of owning businesses and having their own empires, arguably more than those who are attempting to win a lottery. But hey, I’m not here to argue, like I said, you are far more accomplished in this realm. I was just introducing a different perspective, and it will be mine to explore and make real. Thanks for the response and passion EA