YOU HAVE BEEN SILENT FOR TOO LONG, TREE PATH THREAD!
Want Choronzon to devour your astral shell eh necro? This is cool stuff indeed, too bad Crowley got the wrong idea on Choronzon
One of the main points of crossing “the” abyss or “an” abyss is to come out on the other side as a manifestation of your own spirit through flesh, blood and mind. The crossing itself may not be as painful as preparing to cross.
The point of preparing to cross Daath is to shed as much uselessness before the crossing in order to make the transition easier. Because once the crossing has started, if you weren’t prepared enough, it can cause a lot of turmoil as the things unneeded, both spiritually and physically, are stripped. Best to take your time before attempting this and not rush into things just because you think it would be “cool” as a lot of newer people to magick think. Rushing into things such as this can have bad effects if your will isn’t strong enough to withstand it. This especially applies if attempting the crossing from the Qlippothic side.
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This is one of those things where everyone has a “theory” on what it’s like and what happens when Daath is crossed. But the actual experience doesn’t even compare. In the end, you can prepare all you want for what you think may happen, as I thought I did; but in the end I was pushed to the edge of my limits. It wasn’t until it all settled that I saw the reason for everything that happened. There are several of what people call an abyss, but there is a reason Daath is referred to as ‘The Abyss’. The main thing that helped me through was the fact that I didn’t give up on everything. Drastic changes can happen, and the more you fight them the worse it gets. My advise is to give into them and you will see why they are happening and where they will lead you in the aftermath.
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Well, I can only share my personal experience:
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Choronzon appears as an atrophied version of yourself since it is the living embodiment and personification of Chaos, Enthropy and Degeneration. Not in a bad or negative aspect, as much as a lit match can be used to light a candle, He burns and has his uses.
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I thought of him as a swell dude to invoke and had a pact of what it turned out to be possession since age 12. It happened when I opened my arms and said “I refuse to believe you’re all that bad”, and when I realized I could not name him without going into uncomfortable sensations.
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Asked of him to guide me in the patch of magick and he made me go through tests tht were MADDENING at the time because I could not see them as essons rather than attacks.
An example would be having to suddenly live through episodes where you cannot allow anyone to sit next to you or touch yo because you feel “you’re in their head” and that “they are you now” and that your identity is foregone, that you will dissolve into nothingness.
This helped me understand in the very long run that existence and lack of it are STATES rather than definite situations. Just because something is not, does not mean it does not exist at all.
- I had weird dreams and situations where, despite being able to look at my own hands and feet, they felt “upside down”. Imagine every time you look at your hands you see five fingers, and you’re pretty sure they are there, but YOU CANNOT SHAKE the sensation that your pinkie fingers NEVER EXISTED.
Same with the spine. I’d have horriffic visions where my spine would detach itself from my lower self, flail madly around, and slowly exit with my skull through my head and fly away (my skull would’ve taken the shape of a dog’s or a wolf’s, but only upper jaw and a distincitive hole that suggests a third eye).
I’d see this happen just as spiritual halers pull out parasites out of people’s bodies. The lesson here? Do not hold back. “Allow yourself to become nothing and be nothing so that you can restructure yourself” Poetic, right? But that is not the full sense.
The sense is that I should forgo my sense of self and ego, of “this body”, “this personality”, this “all” and become a greater thing which is the complete flow of disorder and dissolution that rules the universe. Quite literally: Blow yourself up magickally and realize JUST as you feel you’re “done” for, that you can will things back into being.
What I a trying to convey, quite graphically, would be like sitting on a land mine and blowing up, going through the experience of dying, and just as you think of it “yeah that’s pretty much it, no way going back now, gotta cross to the other side and my body is bits”, you realize that the RULES OF EXISTENCE are in your head and that you’re anchored by them because youve belived it’s always been that.
You know AKA “We die, breath and eat because we allow ourselves to believe in the need of it”. Sure, helps in those altered states of consciousness but REALLY HURTS when you’re being pushed into those boundaries by a third party (CHoronzon).
- Crossing the Abyss seems, from my limited perspective, an ordeal rather than an actual expedition to a plane. Mr. C explained to me that we cross Abysses every day:
a) When you’re late for class/reunion and you find the door closed but you’d rather stay back and say “fuck it, Ill just blame traffic” just not to deal with the anxiety/shame of having to knock in and excuse yourself? The moment you turn back towards the door and decide to do it anyways? That’s a moment of crossing.
b) When you’re faced by a situation such as a fight and you’d rather not punch back yet n the last moment ou overcome your fear and blast them in the eye with a good hit? That’s a crossing.
c) When you’re about to catch a bus but it’s already leaving and you resignate yourself to wait another 20 minutes, yet in the last moment you stand in front of it and basically coerce the driver into letting you in? That moment, the INTERNAL SNAPPING.
Choronzon explained that since he is Entrhopy he is what allows people to do certan things. The crossing meant allowing yourself to become something by dying, by letting go, by “becoming not”.
- He will shoot you up the ladder of ascension but it will be too fast and potentially catastrophic, and when you just think he actually cheated and harmed you, you will unerstand that the catastrophy was THE BARE MINIMUM EFFORT required to break through. That destroying your life and mental healh as the only way to reach those heights you would rather not go out of security.
An example is having all the TVs at home making crackling sounds and having to fight “my alternate self” every time I fell asleep in the presence of one. Pure book example of schizophrenia huh? “Can’t sleep next to a TV or my self from a paralel dimension kills me”.
Well that was what kept happening. Coudn’t even open a laptop without undergoing visions and without it making snapping sounds as if someone was hitting it with a knuckle.
It made me realize that there is just no “me”, that there IS a veritable violation of the things we know as time and space, that those concepts do not exist in the astral, etc… A huge upgrade from my initial state where I knew barely anything besides sigilization and charging objects with elemental energy.
Problem is, accepting this was an ordeal because it begged the question of “then who am I” and made me feel uneasy to “just” be the aspect or a mask of a greater being. You lose your sense of worth and identity until you realize you’re more than that, just a massive being experiencing itself through many guises and all those Yogic concepts that you initially thought as new age rubbish.
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Had moments where I thought myslf Choronzon, that maybe I had broken through the illusion of my human identity, only to then realize I was not, but that maybe I still was. It was his way of expressing that identity, conscience and all of those firm and unalterable truths were malleable. Thigs were pretty harsh.
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All in all the desire to contact him was the catalyst that brought him into my life. Banishing was not an option since it felt I was divorcing myself from my very soul or being. Felt the same as pulling your eyes out and realizing you were THE EYE ALL ALONG instead of the OWNER OF THE BODY, you know, that you were not really a full being in its own right.
… or that the eye you pulled has hijacked your body and you’re forced to be a discarded organ from now on.
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After years of veritable madness? All I have to say to Choronzon is my thanks. I miss talking to him but I explained to him that doing so made me go back into those horrible states.
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Shapes his adopted: Degenerated and atrophied version of myself consumed by my vices (he hints at hings you’re allowing yourself to not be in control), miriad of columns composed of eyes, mouths and other parts that form a huge, infinte being, and a huge empty space that “becomes” a being.
Say like turning the lights of your room off and watching the momentary void that it becomes, and then seeing this void become a separate entity. Just as sleeping over a giant’s back and having it wake up.
- Good luck, but beware, Qlippothic paths are fucked up D:
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I don’t have much experiences with Choronzon,or the Sphere of Da’ath.
And even though in terms of this field in general(Sephiroths and Qlippoths)I am something of an ignorant mountebank,I am gonna ask you,have you considered doing Dante Abiel’s manifestation of the Left Palm?
I’ve been considering doing it when I get in contact with Nyx,she’s been calling me…
Really makes you think,why the attraction to Choronzone?As was stated he is Enthropy incarnate.
Temple of solomon the king Crowley refers to churonzon as being linked to Vera. Vera was the name of TWO women he was with when separated from Rose. Vera 1 was the infamous Lola. Vera two is the more hidden…a supposed actress he was unfortunately only able to spend 7 months with. He wrote about her as the name “alexandra” a rare publishing of his .
I know what this all about to an extreme. I spent 7 years with this same “character”
Awork of atavistic resurgence.
here’s the closest we’ll get to an explanation of this “net”
[url=http://parasociology.blogspot.com/2009/02/reading-notes-magic-and-mystery-in.html]http://parasociology.blogspot.com/2009/02/reading-notes-magic-and-mystery-in.html[/url]
[url=http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/tulpamancy-internet-subculture-892]http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/tulpamancy-internet-subculture-892[/url]
From goetia girls:
nightmare riding your fear be transformed into a Night-Mare to otherwise ride, the astral body is then enabled to leave its corporeal vehicle behind; whereupon it can then hover around the globe, observing the usual objects, visiting the abodes of friends or loved ones, or even the depths of space; but the dreamer is constrained to his/her present universe, which is basically that of remote viewing from within the dream.
In Locale II, the dreaming reality becomes far more surreal; this locale, Dr John C. Lilly termed as the Unmarked-state, the Alchemists called, Solve. This is the region where varying entities exist of similarity to what the author Carlos Castaneda termed as the inorganic intelligence of the Allies, whom he describes as existing in a dimensional domain he called Penumbra or that of manifesting as a vast desert dividing worlds. The motif of the desert is utilised in the Cabbala for its thirteenth path, whose ascribed Hebrew letter is Gimel, meaning Camel. The thirteenth path penetrates the hidden 11th dimensional sphere of Da’at, where the magician experiences his consciousness accessing an abyss, which is the space between worlds.
When Monroe’s consciousness accessed Locale II he would sometimes experience being hassled by nightmarish beings, who reflected back his fear, and in doing so, attempted to drag his astral self back to Locale I; whereby impeding his progress, and generally made his inner experience unpleasant as if these entities were seeking to block him from accessing Locale III. However, Munroe stated, that Locale II was the 'natural environment of the Second Body’, where thought translates directly to 'bodily’ motion.
Locale III is where Monroe accessed an alternate Earth, via what he termed as being a (Rat tunnel) hole, which can be otherwise equated with a (Locale II, Unmarked-state/Solve) mini-wormhole, into which he slid into an (Marked-state/Coagula) alternate reality. The alternate Earth to all intents and purposes exists within a parallel universe. Monroe experienced this alternate Earth as being a material world, whose reality is almost identical to our own’. But there were differences, as Munroe described: “There are no electrical devices whatsoever.” Munroe observed that the transport of this alternate Earth utilised steam-driven locomotives, which sounds like a cross between an American motor-home and a High-Speed Train, which hauls wooden cars. The automobiles of this alternate Earth were twice as wide as Munroe’s own equivalents, which are driven along huge roads at a sluggish 15-20 mph.
After several slides into a parallel universe of Locale III, Monroe discovered an alternate Earth inhabitant who was his doppelganger. Monroe involuntarily enters into his double’s body; whereupon embarrassment and confusion ensue, which often involved a woman called 'Lea’, with whom slider Monroe becomes romantically attached, when sliding into his alternate self.
(Note: the name of Lea is derived from the Leannán sí, Fairy-Lover [Succubus] of Celtic folklore,)
Monroe’s dream slides into Locale III, he otherwise called, intrusions. This alternate Earth has a three dimensional reality. As stated earlier, in part, Monroe related, that his intrusion into an alternate Earth as being, “a physical-matter world almost identical to our own. There are trees, houses, cities, people, artefacts and all the appurtenances of a reasonably civilized society.” However, Monroe observed that, Locale III had evolved on a somewhat different technological trajectory; there was no electricity or fossil fuels; its inhabitants relied instead on a sort of alternative power source. Perhaps, it is where the ideas of Nikola Tesla had taken root along with the further development of steam power, which had engendered an alternate Steampunk reality.
As for myself, I have slid into differing Locale III alternate Earth’s with the assistance of the Locale II (Lilith’s Harem) Allies. The Allies assume the forms of Succubae, whom then usher me through their vaginal (Vesica Pisces) stargates into alternate Earth’s. Some of the Locale III alternate Earth’s can be described as being Steampunk realities, although the slides into different alternate Earth’s is determined by what type of (Anima) Succubus (Art Muse) one conjures into Locale I, when to become lucid of awareness.
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I know this is an old topic but I’ll give some stories on this one. Da’ath simply translates to “knowledge,” similar to others like Keter (Crown) or Malkuth (Kingdom). There are various Archangels associated with the Tree and more depending on how they are broken down. A few diagrams show the 10 Sephira in normal positioning, Malkuth being held pendant and another Tree being reflected with the 10th sphere being the point of reflection, like a Cartesian graph (you know, the one from school with the four quadrants of X/Y? Rise over run?)
That’s a helpful diagram for beginners but Gershom Scholem believed more appropriately that the “Infernal” sephira are shells. That’s what Kellipoht means anyway, “shell, bark” as from a tree- a Tree of Life (ETS-Chayyim). In the most perfect sense, one would have to travel along the Tree, activate and purify each sephiroht and the various paths (pathworking), until they reached Da’ath.
As a side note, some traditions do not consider the upper three Sephira ever to be able to have a negative/wicked/infernal side as they remain untouched by the Fall of Adam. Somewhat true but the Red Dragon with seven heads wraps around the remaining seven sephira while the ten horns touches all, so it makes sense.
Anyway, Da’ath is considered by some to be the final position before reaching enlightenment, when the ego is completely shed from the magician (or whoever works it). That is where Choronzon resides. Choronzon is a strange name as it’s based on Enochian spelling. The same entity is usually synonymous with Abbadon/Appolyian, Samael or any other Angel of Death. There’s also equations between the Angels of Destruction and death/ire/vengeance, etc. that could also be used for more information on them. Gustav Davidson writes them in his book, “A Dictionary of Angels: Including the Fallen Angels.” There’s also a few spells and incantations you can use to evoke them. Or invoke them, if you wanted.
As a magician, it would be imprudent of me to tell you not to talk to them. That is your own spiritual journey. However, I will caution against doing things like that too soon for various reasons. If you’re doing it to be cool, you probably won’t speak to him/her/it, he may not be so inclined. You could also meet with a spirit disguising himself as Choronzon and will haunt you for some time. Likewise, you may in fact meet him and he will do his business. That’s when you’ll truly understand why Da’ath is the Abyssal Maw, it is the mouth of Tiamat/Leviathan. In fact, you could even equate it to Deathwing (WoW) or Alduin (Elder Scrolls: Skyrim)! Seriously though, they are nasty things. Otherwise, you’ll either die, go insane, reach enlightenment or nothing. Dragons, destroying angels, imperfect Kundalini energies (serpentines) are usually considered deadly because of unwise actions. I can’t stop you but be mindful of that. To be quite honest, I don’t think you truly need a sigil or anything, just a basic understanding of it’s purpose and a simple act of will. Three things are needed to work any form of magick: knowledge, skill and a positive attitude. Best of luck.
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This is a huge side comment however most consider Choronzon to be the guardian of the abyss and Daath. Well interestingly enough i found that Belial is the guardian daath on the
Qliphothic side of things. I found this out from a book i have ordered and read and am planning on working through. It is said that once one goes through Daatg on the Sephirah side that it leads to the Qliphoth side of the tree.
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It is a funny thing that after you look back at what was once YOU, it seems like that person died during the Ordeal of the Abyss. People call you by your old name, the earthly mundane name that is associated with your physical shell, but it is not you. You have no name really… As you, you have become the Abyss yourself, the infinity of all possibilities.
If one reads books from various authors, an opinion is formed that the Qliphotic entities seemingly exist on the far side of dimensional spectrum, but even after a first couple of evocations of them that judgment and opinion is rendered false. The relative ease by which these beings make incursion into our time and space makes it look like they were always close to us on the lower astral planes.
Like Gandalf after he battled the balrog in The Lord of the Rings? I’m still preparing to take this journey myself. I look forward to jumping head first into the abyss. Thanks for sharing.
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[quote=“invadenus, post:11, topic:96”]Choronzon can be contacted scrying the tenth Enochian aethyr ZAX. Crowley’s discription of the encounter is in The Vision and The Voice. The governor sigils used to unlock the gates can be found in Enochian Vision Magick by Duquette, and the scrying technique in John DeSalvo’s Lost Art of Enochian Magic works like a charm. Da’ath is actually Saturn, not Binah, as it is the gateway to the celestial, as well as a gateway to the infernal through the moon Titan. I don’t think Crowley had a chance to write a sigil down for Choronzon since he was under full possession and was busy trying to kill his scribe Victor Neuberg [url=http://hermetic.com/crowley/the-vision-and-the-voice/aethyr10.html]http://hermetic.com/crowley/the-vision-and-the-voice/aethyr10.html[/url][/quote]If Daat is Saturn then is Kether Neptune or Pluto?
I was under the impression Kether was Uranus.
I was under the impression Kether was Uranus.[/quote]My anus is no ones kingdom lol
Or is my head up my ass
After scrying into a sigil, Choronzon showed up. His presence wasnt ‘loud’ like other entities’, he was very subtle. As is my custom, i offered him a cig and to chat.
Q. What is your domain?
A. I saw a grid, with realities contained within them. The space behind this grid, was the Choronzon. It reached into every one. “Ravages of time” comes to mind.
Q. What would you do if incarnated here? Would you embrace the concepts of good and bad once in a mortal shell?
A. Indifferent, “that wont happen” vibe
Q. Could you communicate in a way i can understand?
A. The black space behind the earlier grid, shoots into a section and i see many eyes shifting, from grid, to universe, galaxy to sky, sky to mountain, mountain to funnel in front of me.
Q. Youve answered my questions, have you any for me?
A. No, i see all i need to.
A few days thereafter, i received a message. Choronzon hijacked a friends astral projection practice to relay this:
“I am the one who crawls beneath your skin; the one who burrows into your soul. Sadness, despair, hopelessness feeds me. The ones you love are fleeting, can you save them? I’ve always been here and I will stay forever. I am doubt, I am fear, and lastly; I am truth. You cannot try to hide for I will find you. You cannot try to run for I am ahead of you. Despair is what I crave and I have yet to be hungry. Many have tried to face me and many have fallen victim to the abyss that is I. I am the scissors that cut the rope that your friends are tossing down. I am the swift wave that washes you away from the beach. I hide in the shadows and wait for the right time to strike. I may appear friendly but I am made of malice.”
Now this tells me a few things, main of which being he will fuck shit up if need be. But he also says “i am truth”, and seems to wash away the false concepts of ego. Since this message, my sense of fear increased and spooky shit kept going down, but no outright poltergeist activity. Banishing works, if only temporarily.
My response after thinking on things and chatting with the higher self:
“I am the pain of a heretic burned. I am the hate that hides inside the heart. I am the voice that calls those back to the trials of their path. i am the apostle of black fire, and my purpose is to spread the flames of ascent. You have always been there, always testing, trying to drown the ascendant in the Pit. Hiding is not in my nature, running is not in my nature. You cut ropes given to the ascendant by others, but what when the ascendant makes their own? You hide in the shadows, behind a smile, concealing your true intent, but Ive known it all along. Fear-made Choronzon you hold no horror for me. We are the same, you and I. Your strikes and waves may crash upon me, but I am the mountaintop you strive for, and i will still stand until long after you are done. You have been created by me, to ensure I am worthy of the path I walk. Remember this, malice of the void; the form you have, i can take. The shape you desire, I can form. You are a test of my will, and even in this ego, my will is unyielding. I greet your malice with a smile, and offer to show you a better way. Do not block my path, follow me on it, that you too can become the flame with me.”
Since, hes tested me at times but hasnt been overtly aggressive when im awake. In dreams, i know that theres fuckery afoot, but so far everything has been cool
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Can you tell me more about Brugel?
F.e. where he is published?
What does he stand for?
What are his functions?