The Magical Holy Quran

I know there was a very long thread about this topic before, but it’s now closed.

Can we revive this conversation? I’m convinced the Quran is actually an occult text full of very powerful incantations, codes, etc. I remember how people always accused Prophet Muhammed and being a magician and well…I’ll leave that thought there for now.

Today I was learning about Kothar and found very interesting seeming connections between Surah al Al Kawthar in Quran and Baal’s “myth”. No Muslim can explain this text properly, but Kothar’s story seems to match it quite neatly.

That said can anyone share their experiences on this topic? Especially as related to Quran and working with it while on RHP vs LHP? Would love to hear what the members brings up.

What was the link for the old topic? There is no other topic here called " The Magical Holy Quran".

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How the Kothar Surah is related to Baal ?

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By the way I agree with the Quran having powerful incantations, my first success with magic was when I incorporated some Surahs from the Quran with Magical squares

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I think it’s more tradition. The word magissel comes into mind , which means tradition

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So as someone that has used Chaos Magick Rituals with Islam, I”ll tell you my experience directly with Allah.

In terms of pagan origins, he would more likely be El, and baal would be one of his sons. The narrative being that back before Prophet Muhammed, the Kabaa did have a statue of Baal that had the colors of Gold and Red that later was destroyed. Followers would pray to El for emergency situations such as need for rain, while Baal handled preety much the more general wants and needs, along with the many other Gods (360 deities were once at the site).

The narrative changed later with Prophet Muhammed because it became an argument of Monotheism vs Dyadic, along with if Images of these Gods were allowed or not. Walter Williams discusses this in his book, along with the possibility that Muhammed was actually Ibn Arabi, and he lists his family members being of evidence to this, along with the Quran not really being canonized until 1924 in Cairo. And the Quran quoting many different societies and civilizations texts around it.

Point being that when people try to put history on a magick book, like the Ars Goetia claiming that it was the same demons of Solomon, when really the book came out much later and more than likely did not relate to Solomon at all. But it didn’t matter, people still got magical results from it. Same thing applies to the Quran.

My Experience with Allah:
So Contrary to what everyone else says, Allah can be actually a very calming being. I worked through a lot of shadow work with him from a messed up life I had. The real issues start is the misinformation you get from the charlatans with big beards and claims of “orthodoxy” (sunni vs shia), who do nothing more than fear monger and bark at people. The sufis have a much better understanding of Islam and Allah, however you have to be careful as some are cults, and others fall into the orthodox narratives of fear mongering.

So Allah does answer prayers, and he wants you to read your prayers with pure Focus (kushoo), really get into these feeling states while asking for something from him, he wants you to ask him, and continue to ask him, as he loves to grant your desires.

He also wants momentum of your energy, so you should pray 3-5x times a day to build up your magical energy, and anything to add to that energy such as exercising, meditating, accomplishing goals does add to this energy/aura.

In fact a sufi tip here, if you really want something, no matter how taboo it is, do some zikr, and after a bit of zikr, just ask for what you desire from allah, and do a bit more zikr after that. Note, that you should FEEL the zikr, as you recite each name of Allah, really FEEL IT. If you say for example, “Al Wadud” FEEL being LOVED, if you want to be loved. Know that its done, and its already granted.

Here’s the part you may not like, Allah grants it, yes. However, he does it when it on HIS timing. So Ive been through situations where I’ve asked something yesterday, and it happens the next day. And there are other times, where I see a manifestation comes like 5 years later, and I just think “Allah…I wanted this years ago…I don’t want this now…wtf”. I believe people when they say he’s Saturnian Energy, because his timing definitely seems that way.

And yes, the Quran does have magical value, and if you want a non-orthodox views, unfortunately a lot of those sufi groups don’t really post online. However, there is some books I want you to look into:

-Shams Al Maarif
-Esoteric Islam A Hermetic Perspective on Islamic Traditions by Sachal Smith
-Secret Practices of the Sufi Freemasons by Rudolf von Sebottendorf

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I agree, I’ve gotten really good result practicing Islam. But Islam is not what the traditions say. It’s something more like what you’ve described. Definitely something more of an occult practice that people are pretending is something else.

I also agree Zhikr is extremely powerful and I use it. I’ve seen things happen from it instantly. I use it a lot for cooking and it brings the food to another level, haha. Thanks for sharing.

It was called The Hidden Magick Power And Truth Of The Quran

So I’m a Muslim, for context. Ther’e are a lot of words in Quran that make no sense in Arabic. We have something called Tafseer which explains the Quran. I’ve found those Tafaseer usually make no sense and the Quran can be indecipherable until you study the occult and find correlations.

So this is just speculative.

No one know what Kawthar means in Arabic. Tafseer claims it’s a river of milk in heaven. That makes no sense for defeating an earthly enemy in battle, to me.

However P. Muhammad recited it to defeat his enemies. The Kothar correlation makes more sense to me because 1) Near Eastern languages are very interconnected 2) Kothar makes weapons and 3) in Baal traditions is summoned to beat enemies.

Words have more power in Arabic but here it is:
Here is Surah Al-Kawthar (Al-Kothar) in English:

Surah Al-Kawthar (Chapter 108)
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

  1. Indeed, We have granted you, O Muhammad, al-Kawthar.

  2. So pray to your Lord and sacrifice.

  3. Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off.

There are also other curiosities about this surah I want to look into like:

Ilm al-Huruf (Letter Magic) & Al-Kawthar

The occult letter-sciences studied:

  • numerical values of letters (abjad)

  • shape of the ayat

  • repetition patterns

Al-Kawthar has:

  • 3 ayat

  • 10 words (according to some readings)

  • 44 letters (per common reckoning)

In fringe numerology, “3” represents:

  • stability

  • foundation

  • divine triads in nature

  • cycles

“44” reduces to “8,” symbolizing:

  • victory

  • balance

  • order

  • restoration

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Nice! I saw you are testing other practices from your intro. I’m kind of on the same page. To me this is the best relationship to have w/ Quran at the moment.

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I also come from Muslim background but I lost my interest in Islamic occultism years ago and now I’m back since it seems that it’s what really works with me beside some hermetic kabbalah stuff like the rituals of hexagrams and pentagrams my only problem with it is the gatekeeping and lack of information cause like @RedStone9 said most of Sufi groups don’t post online

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Hence, why we’re on this site. Lol. I will try to locate some sufi groups in person and share anything I can. I started learning about kabbalah from Jewish sources. It seems powerful. I think it will continue studying that as well.

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@RedStone9 do you mind if I ask about ritual prayers? Was wondering if you follow orthodox traditions for this practice, i.e. being in a state of wudu, clothing requirements, the 2, 4,4,3,2 (number of recitations for each prayer) and times of day etc.?

So I do perform wudu (water is timeless or works outside of time, it brings your manifestation faster, and its even advised when you wipe the water with a towel to do the bare minimum of wiping), I do pray as much as possible and yes follow the whole 2, 4, 4, 3, 2, but I keep in mind that its not entirely mandatory.

Whats more important is that you focus on your prayers, forget the world around you, and really focus on each word of the surahs, understand that if you want to work with Allah, that he is your higher self. Orthodox views will convince you he is a separate deity, but even the Quran disproves this “Allah is closer to you than your jugular veins”.

The worst thing you can do is fall into the fear mongering, and unfortunately the saalafi/wahabi narratives have taken over the internet for the longest time now, not to mention polarization of views (you are either with us or against us narrative) that is very popular in the eastern part of the world.

So if you have trouble with a verse of the Quran, try to invoke your Holy Gaurdian Angel or Higher Self to help you interpret it, and be open with it. Some verses seem extremely cruel, but you really have to ponder why these things were included. The Quran is also some what strange to read, but its because each arabic letter has power behind it, so its worded like poetry, but it also has magic behind each letter.

Magick also seems to work better when your body is right, so your first priority before anything is to become healthy.

Also I recommend looking into sufi lore. You will find books like Shams Al Maarif where you find Sufi Mystics working with Jinns, and even though the Quran prevents worship of these beings, it never directly condemns working with them. In fact Jinn and Mankind are Kin of each other, coming from the same divine spark of light.

A personal theory of mine is that once you spark that kundalini energy within you, thats when working with Jinns becomes much easier (although I’d still be cautious with which types of Jinn). Kundalini Energy IS Smokeless Fire.

A book I reccomend if you want to work with Jinns is “Jinn Magick The Hidden Keys to Power…” by Mosheh Ely

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Thank you so much–I am taking what you’ve shared into consideration and will look into those sources. :folded_hands: :folded_hands: :folded_hands:

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