If you have chemo therapy to kill cancer cells in your body, are you acting against universal law? Some people are a cancer on the collective. But their journey doesn’t end there. Their energy changes form, just as the tumor does.
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That is a very valid point, and ill add that intentions matter a lot under the law of karma. Still, from what I know I would say that even killing cancer cells must carry some sort of karma, as all things have the right to exist, whether we consider them good or bad.
I believe that if one truly believes in karma and they do something bad, the one who punishes them are themselves. Like, if you feel as if someone is out to get you, you may end up cursing yourself. It happens. 
Also, if you think you deserve a reward, you’ll end up subconsciously rewarding yourself, and especially if you know even little of magick.
If any of that makes sense, lol…
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believing in Karma brings you Karma!
But for real life, there “action and reaction” it is just natural, and no karma will be involved in those mechanics,
Like, you kill someone? you go to jail,
You eat too much with a low metabolism? you get fat!
But in regards of black magick, just never even think karma will sneak around, and you will finish all of your dread rituals fresh like a flower…
BUT, in my own case, i learned to no do everything i wanted concerning stealing energy, baneful shit, revenge, because my mentors would e disappointed, the first thing anyone should learn in this path is inner mastery, and it means not wining about and plaguing everyone or everything that is not in accordance with my will,
not because it is bad or evil, but rather because i should use my energy for ascent, instead of bitching small fries around!
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What about the understanding that we have to experience the karmas of our past lives in this life and the ones to come? Believing or not believing will not negate a universal law.
What is karma?
You hurt someone, nothing happens
You hurt multiple people, people seem ruder, even strangers?
You hurt a lot of people, suddenly people are hurting you, relentlessly.
What you put out you receive back simple as that.
You spend, but you don’t save? You always find your self-broke
You save, but you don’t spend? You never get new shit.
Karma isn’t something hard to understand.
it’s just another way of calling it the same thing.
Law of attraction.
Is it a universal law? yup.
Does victimizing your self to karma and claiming you carry karmic debts from previous lives make you vulnerable to negative outcomes?
Yup, you think you’re fucked, therefore you’re fucked.
You don’t believe in a universal law like karma?
Well, the reality is subjective…
What reality is, is really what you perceive of it.
You really don’t believe in Karma?
Then in your reality, there is no Karma
Same goes with Magick…
Don’t you believe magick is a real force?
You don’t?
Then it simply does not exist nor work for you.
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It’s your choice to reincarnate.
There is no punishment after death…That’s the truth.
If you were to be approached by “angels”, and to be told you have a karmic debt, and that you must reincarnate to pay it.
Then it’s your fault you forced your self into this situation.
Because that’s bullshit.
You’re the God of your reality, and as you Say you will.
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Karma is different to different people but the most damage was done by Buddhists who explain that universe is in this way because of karma and karma is eternal. It is all rubbish. Karma is time, karma is mind. When you perform an action with intense awareness that action will be an end in itself and there won’t be any residue. But if your conciousness is fragmented any action you peform will leave a residue and no one knows how it impacts the universe at all, except that it does.
The horrible things or the good things you experience in this life have nothing to do with your karma in past life or past lives.
But it is a fact that actions peformed in the field of time have consequences. These consequences need not be in direct magnitude or quality of the actions peformed. Karma is not Newton’s third law of motion.
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I dislike the word Karma, don’t even know why we changed Dharma into that.
Karmic Debts are a funny topic. According to Dharma a bad person NOT acting on their true nature and being good will receive Karmic Debt.
There is no Karmic Law, there is the Law of Attraction however but this isn’t the same as Karma. There is no unseen, omipresent entity who dishes out punishment for “bad deeds”.
It is a pendulum. It will always move to both sides but if you push it too far one way it is garanted to come back with the same amount of force.
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It seems western occultist believe more in the law of attraction rather than the law of karma.
The whole theory of your thoughts create Reality doesn’t resonate with me Eg because if I hypnotise someone to fully convince themselves that they have an extra arm they don’t grow one out of the blue. It seems thoughts create only a perception of reality. But to each his own
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Oh it’s all perception I agree but I don’t get why you feel Western Society believes in the Laws of Attraction? The average person in that region sees it as Kalifornia Karma where you are always followed by that invisible force that will hit your hands with a ruler for thinking bad things.
More Occultists, I’ve noticed, believe in the Law of Attraction but I wouldn’t say that means Western Society.
Edit: Western Occultists are kindof a mixed bag though. Some are adamant about Karma some are not.
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I wrote " western occultists". I don’t think eastern occultist would believe in the law of attraction.
I was under the impression that is where it came from?
Hermetics and all.
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Karma as most people understand it is theosophical bullshit. They created this idea that karma was some kind of tit-for-tat cosmic justice. Theosophy is little more than Christianity in eastern drag. Unfortunately a great deal of western occultism is infected by their ideas.
I’ve already gone into this here
And here
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Whew… You did what i was too lazy to do. The whole perception of law of karma in the west is not completely right. Thanks for the explanation man
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Read some actual hermetic texts and you’ll see that this isn’t actually the case. The Emerald Tablet and The Kybalion would be good starting places.
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Thank you.
Hahahaha! Kalifornia karma. I’m totally stealing that.
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Found this spreading all over FB, not sure the origins but too damn funny.
My UPG is as follows: There is no karma in the traditional Western misconception of it, in that if I do something “evil” there is no higher power that will automatically punish me for it.
However:
If you feel guilty over an action that you’re performing, this guilt may manifest either subconsciously or as a thought form. In other words, if you don’t truly believe you’re in the right, or if part of you feels badly for what you’ve done, you may end up inadvertently punishing yourself.
But most importantly: people generally don’t like assholes. If you’re consistently a dick to other people, odds are that eventually you’ll see some backlash to your actions. Nothing mystical or supernatural about it; just that people tend to be more likely to do nice things for you if you’re good to them, and more likely to fuck you over if you fuck them over on a regular basis. 
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