Suggestion: start a Book of Azazel study group

E.A. Koetting
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Bahamuthat,

I suspect you’re more filled with knowledge than you THINK you are, and that what this “study group” will do for you is bring it all together, synthesize it. But, that’s just My own perspective … :wink: Z

To Everbody Else thinking to join this Group -
At present, I am not willing to enter into a Pact, and my reasons are my own. I want very much to be part of this Group, and I fully intend to give it the respect & focus it deserves.

But, IF making a Pact becomes a “must”, then I shall wish you all the best & step aside. It won’t be the first time I’ve studied on my own! :wink: Z

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[quote=“bahamuthat, post:20, topic:110”]i got the BoA, Evoking Eternity, Ipsissimus and Questing after visions. The funny thing is i haven’t seriously had an oportunity to study those books because of my hectic schedule that i had last few months. i acquired E.A.'s books but, thought to myself that i better get the basics down first from other authors before i do this serious stuff. now i am almost completely free since school year is over.

as i have never done evocation before, nor have i witnessed to any spiritual/paranormal phenomena, i sure do have an enormous amount of work to do, as DKM said somewhere on the forum.

can somebody suggest a smart course of learning for me to try to catch up with you guys and get involved in to BoA study group?[/quote]

Oh, my friend, you are definitely in the right place. Some of the members here are near masters, though they aught not admit it.

Personally, I’ve been following a kind of mish-mash of Franz Bardon’s system as found in Initiation Into Hermetics, and EA’s system with little sprinkles of this that and the other.

As Franz Bardon says, “Manage it so that you spend as much time as possible in your rise or advance. It isquite unnecessary to waste time with sitting for hours, drinking beer and passing time in trivial company. Time is running away like water, never to return.”

Put every free second you have into your ascent. Even if it’s a 2 min. meditation here, a 5 minute sigil opening there, a 3 minute attempt at this, a 7 minute attempt at that. :slight_smile: I’ve got a lot of work to do too man, we all do. As long as you’re dedicated and on your path - and you’re working with the spirits enough - they’ll protect and help. And this forum is here too. Gotta love the forum! Whooo! :smiley:

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Count me in.

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Hello everybody. I see that there are a few people who are concerned about pact making which is understandable. Here’s my take on the subject.

I know everybody (self included) don’t want to be bound by a treaty. But as I have mentioned before, I had just finished reading the book and I didn’t recall anything stating that those who wish to work with it have to commit to a pact. After reading a few posts, I decided to go over a few sections just to see if I had missed this and still, I can’t find anything stating this.

I think that before we decide to officially move forward with this, perhaps someone should contact EA directly to clarify this.

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I agree with that, AZAM333. Certainly it is wise to seek the input of someone so deeply familiar with the nuances of this book. :wink: Z

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Yeah. I want to make sure everybody is comfortable with this. I myself am willing to work with these forces by myself with or w/out a pact but with this project, I look forward to this soon.

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When this happens I’ll participate.

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-Hello everybody. I contacted EA on facebook to ask the question about pacts and his response was:

‎"There exists a definite path to Godhood, to the attainment of all power, all knowledge, and to the quintessence of absolute existence. The threefold path to Godhood is: Evocation; Damnation; and Renunciation."
“I am certain that once you begin the Operations, you’ll find out soon enough if the pact is required of you or not. You may face either absolute destruction, or worse yet, no results at all.”

This is not really a direct answer or the kind of answer that I was expecting, perhaps I expected too much from him.
But by taking what he had said I feel that the pact as well as any experience may be totally different and subjective to any person working with the same spirit. Not much different from the Goetia. But by what he’s saying in as much as the key to godhood, I do understand and double stress his warning that it can be very dangerous (more so than the goetia) pact or no pact.

Either way I don’t care. I’m not scared of demons, demon lords, the devil, black holes or the abyss. But I know well enough to be focused and prepared before entering anything like this.

So what I suggest is we could:
a- move forward as is once a date is given.
b- do the study but only a chapter review and discussion of it minus the evocation.
c- put this on the back burner and perhaps do this another time.

Talk to you guys later.

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[quote=“azazm333, post:28, topic:110”]-Hello everybody. I contacted EA on facebook to ask the question about pacts and his response was:

‎"There exists a definite path to Godhood, to the attainment of all power, all knowledge, and to the quintessence of absolute existence. The threefold path to Godhood is: Evocation; Damnation; and Renunciation."
"I am certain that once you begin the Operations, you’ll find out soon enough if the pact is required of you or not. You may face either absolute destruction, or worse yet, no results at all."This is not really a direct answer or the kind of answer that I was expecting, perhaps I expected too much from him.
But by taking what he had said I feel that the pact as well as any experience may be totally different and subjective to any person working with the same spirit. Not much different from the Goetia. But by what he’s saying in as much as the key to godhood, I do understand and double stress his warning that it can be very dangerous (more so than the goetia) pact or no pact.

Either way I don’t care. I’m not scared of demons, demon lords, the devil, black holes or the abyss. But I know well enough to be focused and prepared before entering anything like this.

So what I suggest is we could:
a- move forward as is once a date is given.
b- do the study but only a chapter review and discussion of it minus the evocation.
c- put this on the back burner and perhaps do this another time.

Talk to you guys later.[/quote]

I’ve got to respectfully disagree with your assessment of EA’s answer. I find it to be as direct an answer as one who’d been there could give…who can REALLY describe such an experience - and who would believe it?

I mean, we’re talking bonafide ASCENSION here, people! A case of “if you’ve experienced it, you know - and if you’ve not yet experienced it, no amount of describing will give you understanding.”

As to the study group, I still think its a grand idea & I so look forward to it. But I’m also aware it’s going to be a highly unique and deeply personal experience for all of us, as individuals. One can only go so far with another on their part of the path … :wink: Z

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Zoe, you are beautiful

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I ADORE YOU, TOO, AZAZM! I truly do! :wink: Z

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I am IN! :slight_smile:

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I am so in aswell! Definately! Being used to pacts in the way mentioned in Grimorium Verum and Grand grimoire I find it a bit of a hard pill to swallow that this book want you to make a pact with the terms to dedicate yourself completely to a single demon and its subordinates and not be allowed to contact others outside this particular entity’s heirarchy. But I still find it an interesting idea, I just don’t think it’s something I want to do. But besides this, I find the grimoire incredible, and I really want to work with it. I am very drawn to the method Koeting uses when working magic, especially in this book.
The practical magic I have done successfully is spellwork, I have attempted evocation a couple of times, but never been what I felt was successful. At the moment I am working on getting results with Koeting’s Invoking Omnipotence exercise aswell as doing a general kundalini awakening exercise. I’m planning on trying out Bran’s shortcut with awaking 3.am. and do the exercise tonight, thank you Bran! :wink:
Anyways, hello everybody, and I definately want to participate in this study group!

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Attis- Don’t be so quick to assume such things. You’d be surprised what spirits may want from you. I myself have had a personal disagreement with a spirit ( a very grand spirit ) over working with the spirits out of this very book. The very idea of such of thing had lighting coming out of his mouth in fury. I kid you not! Not only was I taken back by this but I had to really mull things over and try to convince the spirit to receive his blessing to work with this book and that took three days! And after pleading my case, he finally gave me his approval with a (you play with shit…) speech.
This is why I had mentioned earlier to everybody to make sure all obligations are cleared away to even proceed because you never know.

Now as for the project itself, hopefully it’ll start soon. I want to at least attempt to contact a spirit out of this book first. Btw, I see many people showing their interest which is nice so how about throwing in some ideas for it or share at least what do you want to get out of this.

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whoah there, did he ever tell you why he was so strongly opposed to you working with the guys in that book? Assuming he is someone who is working towards your well being you might want to look out. Because there might be a good reason why he told you not to.

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Hi AZAZM!

Dear One, I’m gonna have to second Defectrons concern for your Well-Being here! But ultimately, only you can decide if this study of the Book of Azazel is in your best interests … having said that …

I am assuming that your relationship with this “grand spirit” is one in which He/She is very much in favor of you living your highest & best life. If this is the case, I urge you to really hear your spirit out - with an open mind - and take that wise counsel to heart. You might STILL decide to go for the study group. Or, you might find that its not necessarily a “bad” idea, but a premature one; something to be set aside until you’ve “grown” a bit more.

And then, there’s also the possibility that your grand spirit is beginning to show ‘true colors’ in his motives & intentions regarding you that you’ve not previously seen …

All that said, I would dig deeper into the whys & wherefores before proceeding, if this were my story … :wink: Z

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Defectron- Yes. He did. There were no gray areas.
Zoe- to put it clearly, the spirit when compared to it, feels that this book is bs and the spirits in are lightweight and fake. He made it clear that if I do this, our relationship is severed (cauterized being the word he used).
As I have said I had to approach him for 3 days over this and wanted to make sure that if ending our alliance was the trade off that it ended on a good note. Finally, the spirit conceded.
When asked why, because it was puzzled, I simply said that it was just my will to see everything that I want to see for myself, that I was a slave to no one.

In hindsight, I understand it’s pov given his position and what he has done for me. I have been with this spirit close to two years now.

So to introduce the idea of working with another group of beings not even of his system must of made him felt like it was a big slap on his face. But I didn’t mention those terms, he did.

Anyway, needless to say I have already begun working with a spirit from koettings book which i will post elsewhere.

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[quote=“azazm333, post:37, topic:110”]Defectron- Yes. He did. There were no gray areas.
Zoe- to put it clearly, the spirit when compared to it, feels that this book is bs and the spirits in are lightweight and fake. He made it clear that if I do this, our relationship is severed (cauterized being the word he used).
As I have said I had to approach him for 3 days over this and wanted to make sure that if ending our alliance was the trade off that it ended on a good note. Finally, the spirit conceded.
When asked why, because it was puzzled, I simply said that it was just my will to see everything that I want to see for myself, that I was a slave to no one.

In hindsight, I understand it’s pov given his position and what he has done for me. I have been with this spirit close to two years now.

So to introduce the idea of working with another group of beings not even of his system must of made him felt like it was a big slap on his face. But I didn’t mention those terms, he did.

Anyway, needless to say I have already begun working with a spirit from koettings book which i will post elsewhere.[/quote]

So having worked with this guy as well as someone from BOA, do you feel he was justified in saying they were lightwhieght compared to him? Or would you say that was just some sort of egoism on his part? Are you allowed to reveal his identity? I’d be interested in finding out who he is.

I’m glad the spirits asciated with me were more understanding as they seemed supportive of me getting involved with the book group.

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Hello. That’s not a fair thing to ask since I broke my BOA cherry THIS morning as opposed to working closely with another spirit for close to two years as I had said.
I will post that experience in a bit. But there’s nothing more to say on this. I only brought this up to show how it’s the importance of having one’s ducks in a row before going to something else.

So like I mentioned, if anybody is interested in any ideas on how to proceed, please don’t press the like button, or mention your interest, just share:D

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My apologies, Dear One! Did not realize the decision was already made. I’ll give you all the space you need, and I imagine everybody else will as well. Ending a 2 year relationship is no easy decision, be it mortal or spirit… :wink: Z