I would say I meet those criteria now. But not always. I started more RHP and morphed to strictly LHP, darkness, etc.
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using Kabbalah⌠then how would you evoke?
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Thatâs an awesome question. For me I just make my own method. I love to read and speak to people to learn as many methods as possible. I use that information to figure out what works for me.
So I have a few questions and some answers and a little input.
My philosophy is somewhat based off of Michael W Ford and some of Asenath Masonâs thoughts. Essentially, I believe in embracing the path both in itâs darkness and itâs light. I believe in balance.[quote=âTheStorm, post:1, topic:17401â]
After all I am the one saying that we should embrace all aspects of life.
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Would this also apply to whole heatedly embracing dark energies? Another thing is, is that everything has darkness and light inside of it, it just depends on how you use it. [quote=âTheStorm, post:1, topic:17401â]
Not working with anything remotely JCI. i.e. no Kabbalah, and definitely no angels.
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What about djinn? Also isnât Qliphothic work apart of Kabbalah?[quote=âTheStorm, post:1, topic:17401â]
Black Fire,
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Do you mean the ahrimanian current? Such as the Bmoa?[quote=âTheStorm, post:1, topic:17401â]
Shadow
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Do you mean shadow work? Or shadow Magick? If shadow Magick, could you lead me to a resource as Iâve been interested in trying to practice that? Please and thank you.[quote=âTheStorm, post:1, topic:17401â]
Hellfire
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Whatâs that?[quote=âTheStorm, post:1, topic:17401â]
Draconian magicks,
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As Iâve stated before, Iâve studied under Asenath Masonâs works (not under her personally, just her books and posts and videos) itâs my understanding that the Draconian path embraces both Darkness and light?
I like to think Iâm a middle path Lovecraftian/ Draconian sorcerer with lhp philosophy potential. I tend to embrace all kinds of thinking, even outside of lhp thinking, well sometimes. Obviously I donât fit all of the criteria but I fit some. I do believe that darkness is a way to power, ascent, etc but I also find that the light is also necessary. However, I donât follow Yahweh or anything of them.
Djinn of the Shaitanic variety are fine. Qliphoth also doesnât count as JCI, because itâs kind of getting all the JCI stuff and turning it upside down.[quote=âAiden_Crow, post:24, topic:17401â]
Would this also apply to whole heatedly embracing dark energies?
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Yes. Dark energies are something that need to be embraced in order to become whole.[quote=âAiden_Crow, post:24, topic:17401â]
Another thing is, is that everything has darkness and light inside of it, it just depends on how you use it.
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Iâd disagree. All true power is black. Not in the sense of evil, but in the sense of the energy itself. Iâve already said that I donât mean âblackâ as in motivation. I mean black as in currents of power.[quote=âAiden_Crow, post:24, topic:17401â]
Do you mean the ahrimanian current? Such as the Bmoa?
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No, though they may utilise similar practices.[quote=âAiden_Crow, post:24, topic:17401â]
Whatâs that?
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Fires of Hell. Demonic power. Their are some references specific to my Path. Donât worry too much about them.
Isnât âhellâ a JCI concept?
Yes, kind of. Itâs also a literal place. Also we are talking about embracing hell as opposed to trying to avoid it. Itâs kind of reverse JCI if you understand what I mean.
If âhellâ is a JCI invention, then logically embracing hell is an embrace of the JCI concept of Yahweh/Jehova/Allah and that creation creation mythology.
In the same way that the American continent is an invention of the USA. Itâs a literal place. The fact that the JCI gave it a name hardly matters. Call it The Abyss if the name really bothers you.[quote=âSoon2bAdept, post:28, topic:17401â]
n embrace of the JCI concept of Yahweh/Jehova/Allah and that creation creation mythology.
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I emphatically do not embrace that creation mythology. The recognition that a place exists does not imply that you accept the mythology associated with it. You (presumably) accept that the American continent exists. That does not necessarily mean you accept the Native American creation myth of how it came about.
I think Black Magick and the Left Hand Path are much broader than JCI adversarial paradigms. Hell may exist on the astral because enough people believe in its existence to create it in the mental plane. But for me the Left Hand Path is choosing myself as the ultimate authority on myself. That includes the freedom to choose to evoke and learn from whoever the fuck I want, anytime I want. I will be a slave to no one, especially JCI paradigm. Spirits I choose to work with are equal partners, I have something they want just as much as they have something I want.
I will choose which astral plane(s) I want to visit and when after the death of my corporeal bodies. I wonât enslave myself to heaven or hell.
@Soon2bAdept I accept that their is far more to the afterlife or the Spirit world than just Heaven or Hell. Their are countless planes and countless Spirits, many who are not demons, to be explored. Also, I think no one here wants to be enslaved to the JCI. Everything else starting from the assertion that Hell is an astral thought form all the way to your personal philosophy I must disagree with.
Understood. But I can say I very much agree with the author Timothy in his Black Magick Manifesto found on this site. Adopting adversarialism or diabolism is a means to an end. But isnât the entire picture.
I meant in origin.
Our philosophies are very different lol.
@Aiden_Crow I think of them as literal beings. I donât really care which religion introduced these beings to the world. Only what the beings themselves actually stand for.
You havenât tried evocation with gemstones? Thatâs literally how I summoned Sekhmet the first time. I used ruby for her color and the rest were for the intent (healing).
Also Norse (as Hel). Christianity surprisingly stole a lot of ideas from their pagan neighbors.
Same here. I donât care for religion but I do have a resemblance of philosophy. My practice just embraces both darkness and light, so I donât truly fit the criteria listed.
Well when I say light, I mean I donât mind working with angels (however I do not like Yahweh, etc.) Or healing energies and modalities, the fae (they do have a dark aspect, however), etc. Something likened to that. I donât bow down before dead gods that attempt to enslave me. i donât really like religion, just philosophy. I also like working with pagan deities.
My path involves a lot of personal work, this involves balancing energies within, amongst other things.
Oh the Fae are wonderful. Dark Elves especially (though I have a feeling these are different beings from the ones EA is referring to). They are hardly JCI. I personally donât have a problem with the Fae. They can be lethal to say the least. [quote=âAiden_Crow, post:39, topic:17401â]
I donât bow down before dead gods that attempt to enslave me.
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I donât either. I just kneel before dead gods who teach me.
I observe carefully before leaping. I am currently flying over the pool that is the extent of Black Magick and watching the waters. Perhaps soon i will immerse myself in it (probably the Ahriman current or the Dragon current), but I am still in the observation stage