My target is a very practicing Muslim. Because of his religion and culture, he believes in Magick and he’s pretty sure people have wanted to hurt him with it.
He told me today he actively prays so that any Magick directed at him gets reverted to the sender. I don’t believe Muslim prayers have more power than any other prayers, but I do believe that intention is everything, and same as we don’t always need candles or demons to send curses, the god that he believes in doesn’t have to be absolutely as he believes it is for his prayers to have effect. I guess it all depends on intent/faith/the way he prays (affirming vs begging?). Not sure if I’m making sense.
My point is, even if I don’t believe in the same kind of god that he believes in, I still think his prayers against whoever does Magick on him could affect me. Not sure about it, but… what do you think? In case you think they could affect me, what do you think I could do to protect myself? He prays for me too, so with a bit of luck he’s cancelling the “revert the Magick” ones himself I thought about using Luna (maybe @anon97554939 can say if this makes sense here?), but I’m a bit lost and don’t even know if I’m worrying for nothing…
Her warding and banishment works against magic yes, but if it’s being intentionally directed at you you may need more than her or more frequent use of her- if that makes sense.
Well, he wouldn’t intentionally direct it at me as with my name, as he wouldn’t even imagine that I’m doing Magick on him. But if he asks for the Magick to be reverted “to the one who sends it”, and I’m that one… it will come, I guess.
Not sure that kind of prayers have effect, but I prefer to work under the assumption that they do. I’ve been working my Magick on his for weeks and nothing has come to me yet, but… I prefer to be careful now that I have this information.
When you say more frequent use of her… should I keep her with me the whole time? Not sure if that’s possible or an abuse as I’m fairly new to this, Luna sounded much safer than me relying on knowing how to create wards. But I’ll do anything that I should to make sure nothing comes to bite my ass.
Muslim is very weak maybe the weakest. There is nothing to worry about They have no psalms and not really a powerful foundation. A practising old christian reading psalms could be really nasty for black magicians
Then Luna is plenty. I’ve used in her conjunction with other methods when I knew for fact I was being attacked, so regular use should take care of anything simply reversed.
It’s not only the intention but the power of faith the person has, the strength of the prayer lies within the faith of the person doing the prayer, you could be in any religion but one of the powers is faith that makes one strong
As someone who grew up in that culture I can tell you that if Namaz( Muslim prayer ) was that powerful then black magick wouldn’t be practiced and used to destroy others as much as it does , in the Middle East it’s widely used to break marriages/families , making the one you love marry you, or distroy ones business just out of jealousy ! Sometimes you find these weird sigils/ Arabic writings under your furniture or in the plants and you know someone is trying to harm you. If you want your magick to work you will need to clear your mind from these doubts !
So when you do your working, try this:
Set your intention that the working bypasses this reversal function. Hops over it, if you like, or finds a way around. See your intention being stronger than his fear, by a lot, it’s so much stronger, it easily and naturally glides. through to set the energies towards what you want to manifest.
Think about the end result and notice how the energies you are setting in the working become denser and manifest into reality, and know it’s a matter of time before this starts to become noticeable. Repeat every night for a week, until you feel content and at peace with the energy being set as you like it, then forget you did it, and see what happens.
Yeah, the more I see about that religion the more I realize you’re totally right. But my concern was more regarding his faith. Even if his religion doesn’t offer a system that is powerful in itself, if he’s praying with faith and he’s sure what he’s asking for will happen, wouldn’t that work as setting an intention? The last piece of Magick I’ve done didn’t have a sigil, demon, god, nothing… it was just my rage, my hurt, transformed into an immense explosion of energy that wiped out the things around. It was not planned, but while I was doing it, I had a clear and burning intention. The effects are showing now and my oh my Just thought that his prayers, if well directed (even without the right system) could have power on themselves, the power that he gives them. But I feel better knowing that at least I don’t have to worry about his prayers having strength on themselves, thanks
Thank you very much, I’ll use Luna then!! Would love to make my own servitor, but for now is better to be well protected without much experimentation (I’m experimenting enough with my Magick ).
Yeah, that’s actually what worried me! Not the prayers having power in and on themselves, but my point was: If he has faith on his prayers, wouldn’t they work? But Maulbeere’s advise can be used here, then.
I’ll do that! I’m aware this is a lot about intention and energy, as the Magick that in my case has been stronger was basically that, only intention and energy, nothing else. I did it in a moment of rage, that I guess helps a lot, but for me is difficult to get to that point, and my Magick and results cannot depend only on the moments I’m beyond mad. You think then that the repetition of a ritual for several days can help on that, building the energy and intention? So far I haven’t repeated a ritual, and that may be the reason why I have been able to influence my target (Dantalion and Seere) in an awesome way, just for him to revert back to his old ways a week later…
Oh yeah, forgot I read in one of your posts where were you from! Half of my family is Arabic but I grew up in the west, so now that I’m living in a Muslim country I realize how little I know about this culture. Something that surprised me is, as you said, how widely used Magick is here. Not that I know anyone (is illegal here) but it really shocked me how everybody believes in Magick and think they can be victims of it. Never saw that before, if I said in my country someone is doing Magick they would laugh at me.
I’m curious, Magick in the Middle East is used, but… is it really powerful? Does it really affect targets, so is obvious Muslim prayer is not powerful against it? I’m terribly curious about Arabic Magick but here is obviously impossible to find someone who practices it, and is difficult to get info on that kind of Magick only on google (it may have been different if I could speak Arabic I guess)
Islamic black magic is mentioned in Quran that’s why all Muslims believe in it and don’t write it off as a rumour or fake stuff! I’m not sure how it’s done but I’ve heard it has very hard rules for practice , unfortunately it’s only done to harm , not like gallery of magick books type of magick where we use it to heal, find a job , money for a purpose etc… that’s why as soon as you say black magick , the first thing that comes to their mind is causing harm !
Weeeeell, I have to confess that part of the working that I wish to do now are baneful, so… that kind of Magick would be useful. But I have no idea of how is done either, plus if I don’t believe in the same things that they do, I possibly wouldn’t be very strong with their Magick, I guess.
I still think that my own energy/intention brings me better results than rituals from Gallery of Magick, but I’m in to experiment with a bit of everything Read around here that working with Djinns brings really fast results too, but as Djinns are part of Muslims beliefs, I thought he might have a stronger protection against them…
Honestly, I think you’ve got your hands and your emotions into too many pots and you’re unlikely to see success unless you take a step back, truly figure out what you want and take a more focused approach. Just from you’re topics you are all over the place, and not everyone is seeing the entire picture since it’s scattered across a few threads.
I’d take a day or a week or a month or whatever it takes for you to get your heart and your mind aligned to the reality of the situation and what you want, then look at your threads again, and list out the things that would be effective, toss the junk and proceed with a clear head, and a focused heart and a directed approach.
Throwing everything and the kitchen sink into one bag and shaking it up and hoping that you dump out something whole that will actually function, rarely works. A well thought out and planned layered approach for a big problem or want- broken down into separate parts that are each addressed most appropriately however, most often will.
You’re absolutely right. I’m in a situation that hurts me, makes me want to seek revenge (not “you’ll die revenge”) and avoid him getting some things he wants so that finally he learns not to treat people like puppets; but at the same time I want to rekindle our relationship, is not exactly trying to get an ex back but making sure we have a pleasant, friendly relationship; and keep a person that threatens my position and happiness away. Is all mixed, one whole big situation, that’s why sometimes it gets difficult to disentangle. Plus, I have to deal with the day to day reactions and issues of the situation in real life, which affects what I feel I should do with my Magick. And all this takes so much energy from me that sometimes what I think is: Should I just let it go?
I’m feeling the need for what you suggested: Taking some time to think what I really want in each of the small situations that conform this mess and plan the approach. I’ve already been planning it in a layered way, but then I keep checking more info and possibilities. Paralysis by analysis. I think I’ve already convinced myself to such a degree that something that I fear will happen, will really happen, that now I feel is impossible for me to stop it, as me being convinced of it is moving it into place. The funny thing is, when I’ve made Magick, it has worked surprisingly well, so my fear and confusion right now may be preventing me from getting exactly what I want. But your point was really good, what exactly do I want? Thanks for the kind slap, sometimes I need it
In that case you need two slaps, this one across the face- because that thought process will in many cases ensure, that is exactly what you get. If you want to avoid that, figure out how to remove those thoughts, change them, use that energy towards the workings and the goals you do want yada yada emotional transmutation etc.
That alone is probably a fair portion of what is draining you as well. The set it and assume it’s done and every time you think about it, remind yourself there are things in motion, possibilities you’re not yet privy to, things will work out for the best in the best way possible in time even if you can’t see it when it happens, the results are on the way even if I can’t tell yet- etc would be a better way to view it, for your magics sake.
Those thoughts, are directing energy at the exact opposite of what you want to achieve, thusly fcking you over and draining you at the same time. Direct them towards what you want, not what is going to hurt you and your magic
I thought about using Luna (maybe @anon97554939 can say if this makes sense here?), but I’m a bit lost and don’t even know if I’m worrying for nothing…
as I’m fairly new to this, Luna sounded much safer than me relying on knowing how to create wards. But I’ll do anything that I should to make sure nothing comes to bite my ass.
They have no psalms and not really a powerful foundation. A practising old christian reading psalms could be really nasty for black magicians
Just thought that his prayers, if well directed (even without the right system) could have power on themselves, the power that he gives them. But I feel better knowing that at least I don’t have to worry about his prayers having strength on themselves, thanks 
Half of my family is Arabic but I grew up in the west, so now that I’m living in a Muslim country I realize how little I know about this culture. Something that surprised me is, as you said, how widely used Magick is here. Not that I know anyone (is illegal here) but it really shocked me how everybody believes in Magick and think they can be victims of it. Never saw that before, if I said in my country someone is doing Magick they would laugh at me.
Read around here that working with Djinns brings really fast results too, but as Djinns are part of Muslims beliefs, I thought he might have a stronger protection against them…
