[quote=“DK The Mage, post:20, topic:673”][quote=“redcircle, post:17, topic:673”]But all of this… other than deliberately shaking your world-view, is not really of much value in my opinion. If it isn’t unknowable, it is certainly unknown, and quite difficult to get to the root of. Moreover, I don’t really know what you could do with it if you even know (assuming of course it is knowable) - if you can tap into seemingly limitless power and knowledge and consciousness, what we call “the source”, that should be more than enough to occupy your time for much more than our currently limited imaginations can handle.
We can calculate Pi out to some trillion digits now, but 9 places is more than enough for the vast majority of engineering projects one could perform. I think this is similar - it’s a fun feat, and you might learn immensely on the quest for the answer, but the fact itself has very little intrinsic value.[/quote]
lol - oh? is that a fact? To give a definitely value on such an experience or library of knowledge is a pretty hard thing to do imo. hehe[/quote]
I wasn’t really meaning to be stating a “fact”, so maybe I misspoke.
When I said
“I think this is similar - it’s a fun feat, and you might learn immensely on the quest for the answer, but ‘the fact’ itself has very little intrinsic value.”
what I meant by ‘the fact’ is either ‘the trillion digit version of Pi’, or ‘whether there is one source or many’. Either of those “facts” don’t seem very valuable to me, even if all the things you learn searching for them are.
Well said - I would think there is a possibility that the particular knowledge we’re debating about may very well have a high value associated with knowing how source is structured. But, we can’t really know that until we know it. heh
Also - I recently listened to this guys interview. It is, actually interesting - and though he points it in a Christian direction, the experiences he describes are quite (so far as he explained them) broad and relevant to nearly any belief system.
[quote=“Soundwave, post:12, topic:673”]There is a place where all paradoxes become united
There is a place where all paths become one road
There is a place where I realise that I know everything and that it all means nothing
Truth becomes variable and situation dependent, any idea that is well thought out becomes plausible and is a perfect piece of the puzzle.
And then I realise at the center of it all the only constant is me, not my body or my ego but the observer, that which sits behind, the unchanging and eternal and suddenly I start writing my own truth as I see fit to meet my needs at the time. Its experimental and sometimes I forget but it always seems to work out.
Or at least, that has been my experience and really, what else do I have to go by? somebody else’s experience?[/quote]
I like that a lot. Truth is relative. There is but one truth yet, depending on our perspective, shows us different aspects of it. It’s the same with everyday experiences. Two people having a chat over coffee in a waking state of consciousness will later report a different event. And if we could directly experience their minds, these two versions of reality and the same event would be even more different. So taking that a bit further means, there are as much truths as minds are there to observe. But when you zoom out, you can see a bigger picture. You take a bigger lens and what seemed like a huge mess of lights sounds and random people, takes on the form of a city, a country, a continent, a planet…
I guess the same happens to our perception and understanding of truth. It’s hard to understand the broader perspective on truth before we make the experience of actually experincing that broader perspective. And maybe, at that point, logic, the very thing that enables us to hypothetically discuss the infinite, ceases to make sense. And at that point, I would guess, there will be no more search for a bigger truth.