"Permission" to Curse...? Kind of Confused Here

Limited to just the baneful operations. Other deitys might be open to new pacts for hex work but I would advise caution. What i got from my pact for baneful work of 3 was that if i broke the contract or agreement that my baneful castings would come back on me in a very insidious and destructive ways from Marbas.

It all depends on your pact with that deity. Every agreement you make is different. Keep in mind there are 72 deitys in the Lessor Key of Solomon and each deity that you connect with will have different terms for each task or casting and only if they agree to do the job. In my case with Marbas it was only 3 baneful castings with modified terms agreed upon by both parties and i could not break that agreement without facing serious drawbacks and have a major backlash come back and hit me.

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Well, pretty simply,
it doesn’t really apply to beginners,
because they simply don’t hold the same amount of power,
to access and throw at a target.

It only applies between magicians.
And usually, such statements should go along with some kind of suggestion,
which way to tackle the problem, alternatively,
instead of casting a curse.

It’s basically a warning, about the spell going to backfire,
if casted right way, as you’ve suggested here:

It’s more like,
that guy you’re trying to attack,
is going to be able to pin-point down,
who did it,
and come after you,
or, simply warning you of a mirror shield,
which will bring the spell back to hit you in your own ass.

And, quite frankly, on the more experienced grounds, these things do matter.

Because a hit that would kill 20 people with ease,
but is only aimed at one,
and instead of hitting that one,
comes backfiring to yourself,

that’s not really fun to enjoy. :wink:

My personal recommendation:
Don’t worry about it,
unless it really applies to a working you actually care about and want to do.

And if that is the case,
ask the spirit which denies permission,
what to do instead.

Because what you said about bills:

Can apply both ways,
and the spirits may actually reveal,
for example, that the cause,
why you are trying to go after said target,
is not correct.
That you’re aiming at the wrong guy,
or, the damage inflicted by him,
was already paying a bill,
and you’re trying to be the 5th man in a raw,
trying to rob the target,
while the payment was settled already.

On the other hand,
that’s in the field,
where a spirit can be turned against it’s follower as well,
and actually, co-operate with you,
if your bill is legit,
and hasn’t been paid for yet.

I hope this clarifies it a little more for you,
and makes you understand the bigger structure behind it.

It DOES NOT apply generally,
on all people!

It does apply,
on people which have trained and gained skill,
and, just like you,
aren’t just:

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like children, and not Gods with will and intent,
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:wink:

Sincerely,

¥’Berioth

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Thank you for the clarity and deconstruction, this makes complete sense! Especially about the experience level and how it differentiates from practitioner to practitioner, and the certain applications of the details. You’ve been a great help, thank you for the response!

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good you’re here,
i also wanted to ask you,
since you mentioned “doing the dirty work yourself”,
in which way you would have assumed to tackle the problem, that was adviced by spirits to not be solved by baneful working.

I ask, because sometimes it’s a difficult thing,
to differentiate,
how much of the power we use, really belongs to us,
and how much comes from our alliances.

To be more precise:
A spirit which workes with you,
can already limit your capability by a good margin,
by simply not supporting your cause.
Now, while trying to work the spell by yourself,
you may not be aware,
of that power not really being at your disposal anymore.

Which basically removes impact force,
from your hit.

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I cut chakras to feast easier, but I didn’t know what to do about those disgusting people’s energy. That’s how I came up with it.

People that I hate or fuck with me, I do both and bunch of other things too. Sending nightmares to people is fun. I make it silly and I laugh out loud at their screams. Sometimes I draw demons into and let them finish it for me. Seriously, humans hate boring ass work, how do you think demons feel about curse work? Make it fun for them and see what happens. Lolz.

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good point.

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I’d probably get their advice on the matter and take it into consideration for the next step, as long as I accomplish what I need to, in a matter that would bring a peace to my being.
Whatever necessary, even if it meant going in alone.
If I was denied, I’d get feedback, reanalyze, and find the best, most useful solution.
If need be, however, I will strike, even if I must do it alone.
Honestly it’s not even the severity of the end result that I worry about,
it’s sending the message.
But I still have much to learn, and am still uncertain. who knows, this outlook could change by tomorrow morning

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Sounds reasonable.

You’re on the right track there.

Plus, good that you’re learning these things now,
without actually having pressure on it,
forcing you to move.

To explain that a little further:
Thinking is a process,
and can be interrupted.
On the other hand,
if you hold a thought process,
while your actually having to move,
you’re like frozen,
and the opponent can hit you,
in that short moment,
like as if you was blind.

In real martial arts,
where people fight physically,
face to face,
that’s like the absolute endgame.
When you’re perfected all other skills,
body movements,
breathing technique,
lastly,
you learn to read your opponent so well,
that you strike,
in the split second,
they’re distracted at.

And it’s a common Martial art’s saying:
“it’s the hit you don’t see coming,
that puts you on the ground.”

So, indeed, that does make a difference.

By the way,
Mu Shin, No Shin,
is also pretty close to end game level,
it’s a state gained through extensive meditation,
(or proper teaching),
and really means having no thoughts interrupting the connection,
between body and mind.

You want to learn?

Drop your attention,
from the point you’re looking at,
back into the eyes themselves,
then into your skull,
along the top of the skull,
back to your spine,
down the spine,
and seddle it within your chest,
at heart level.

Once there,
completely forgett,
that you have eyes.
(very difficult before that exercise,
inside the exercise almost effortless).

Now, while being resting inside your chest area,
without thinking,
without seeing,
by just feeling,
cycle energy up to your brain,
and back to your chest.
Repeat a couple of times,
i’d say 20 should be quite good,
to build a solid connection.

Now,
don’t go back to awake state,
but fall into sleep.
Your body will need some time,
to impliment the changes you’ve just made.

From there on,
it’ll be easier to shut your mind off,
you will have less issues with overthinking.

Also, when someone tells you, you’re overthinking,
in the future,
after having done that,
Answer it with: “No, i’m just aware of more variables, then you are aware of!”

After Sleeping,
you’ll feel similar as if you had grounded yourself,
but this time,
into yourself,
instead of into earth.

That state is normally towards the end of Zen,
so note that you should at least read the buddhist concept,
of the 4 truthes, and the 8-fold path.
Even if you don’t adhere to it,
You’re at a similar level to their masters now,
and should at least know their words and system.

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Don’t be series about it. Have the most fun with it. Demons love their games more then humans do.

Lay in bed, hit your favorite playlist, and just imagine the worst things you can do to your target. Play some of your favorite fight scenes from movies to get inspired. Do this until your anger fades and go to sleep in peace. Don’t even bother thinking of them or repeat until you feel better over time.

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Thank you for this, truly, I’ll look into the concepts and practice this for sure

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I’ll give this a go, no doubt; sounds very therapeutic as well as productive! Thank you for this

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Here is good song.

Plain instrumentals are the best at times.

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You got some great in-depth replies, I just want to add that my understanding of it is that when a person gives consent, whether misled or deceived, their various guardians have to accept that act as a free will choice and remove certain protections.

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Just chiming in here with a shower thought about curses you may find helpful, but also may be steering a little off the track of the topic as well.

An extremely potent method of cursing someone, in my experience, is after you have performed a curse ritual/spell against someone - tell them you’ve done it.
Bonus points if you can force them to whitness some part of the ritual/spell.

Even saying something simple to them such as
“I have cursed you in the name of <insert your Demon/Angel name here>”.

Now at this point, you’re probably wondering why on Earth you would want to do that…

Here’s why;

If you tell them or provoke the thought that you have cursed them - they will begin to consider this, every single time something negative happens to them.
They will allow their mind to accept the curse, rather than fight against it, giving the curse a sort of permission over the person.

This will do nothing but give the curse absolute power, the more they think about it, the more negative things happen, it begins to spiral and becomes an extremely potent curse.

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