For a while now, it appears that there have been an increasing amount of philosophical wars going on here, and although that has always been the case, it appears to be in larger concentration than others. Perhaps it is that these debates are the most commented threads (usually stemming from a thread that wasn’t even meant to be a debate area, like a newbie question), or that I was ignorant of these posts before, but the concentration of these threads seems to be a lot more numerous, and a lot more pronounced than before.
Speaking as a primary agitator and participant of these types of threads, I am wondering why it is that we even spend our time on them. I figure that this forum was originally meant for learning, advancement, and was supposed to stand out as a place where a lot of the petty quarrels that magicians find themselves in were trounced. Yet, when looking at these debates, especially the ones where I am speaking the most and loudest, I find that I certainly didn’t learn a single thing, and that I just spent useful time on the useless activity of chest-puffing. It is never my intention to do so, but that is what ends up going down, and I’m not confident that these threads that these debates stem from actually serve to help out the OPs of those particular threads.
I’m not going to debate any of those arguments I had, as I could probably write novels on each particular point where I would point out the flaws on both sides, including my own. But the worst part of it is that these philosophical debates actually do nothing to point out action that can be taken by a magician, what a person can do to get their shit together. Talks of who or what YHWH is, whether Satan is the prime God, whether Abaddon likes wearing a tutu on Saturday nights… it has nothing to do with the actual steps to empowerent that a person can take. I could talk about the nature of reality all day, and yet it wouldn’t do a thing to increase my power, and especially wouldn’t help someone learn how to increase theirs. You know, it might help them, if only that they would be poised to get off the internet because the banter they are hearing is not worth their time.
We do got folks who make a consistent habit of only talking about things they are experiencing in real time like SVE’s stuff. I’m pretty sure that he could insert his 2 cents about what he feels is right, but rather he just posts straight up results and discovered entities from his work. Likewise, I don’t think there has been a debate garnered around his stuff; I haven’t seen an inflated ego battle revolve around anything he post. If we could switch the focus towards action-based things, and information based solely on real-time stuff gained from that, then folks would have a lot less room to even care to debate shit. I’m not saying there would be no more debating ever, but at least folks could come here and actually gain practice-based info that comes from fellow magicians work, rather than quoting philosophers, “holy” books, or historical “facts”, all of which have nothing to do with our own personal experiences.
As a primary agitator, I’m saying that the shit has got to end. Not for any lovey-dovey reasons, but because this mode of senseless and narrow theorizing, boasting, and philosophizing is not really doing shit to empower at least a great deal of folks here. I know I sure as hell have gotten nothing from it, and debating over messages is somewhat silly anyway, as the element of direct conversation is eliminated with this form of debate. This is just how I feel about it, and I know some people say they have learned stuff from it. But man, I’m not seeing any power in it at all, and in the example of personal-practiced-based threads, there is far more value in that.