Overcoming Catholic Bullshit?

It’s a zero. Just by evoking demons practicing some occult arts doesn’t make you a dark person, nor evil or wicked person.

This is where wickedness and evil comes in: When you begin to abuse the knowledge (power) you have.

Trample on the weak; those that are still trapped in the false belief religion taught; those who say there is no gods, no spirit, the ignorants ones who knows no-thing about everything but believed they knew everything; when you don’t use the knowledge of this occult to kill or destroy unnecessarily; and the likes, but practice **Modesty, Simplicity, Respect to the Brotherhood, Bury Hypocrisy, Don’t despise the Non-Occultic, and the like (for this is why gods are called gods: live and lets live). Then you can be called a Mage, not an evil or wicked person.

No condemnation is coming to you.

What hell is isn’t what religion teaches. So, put those belief aside, and stay humble and truthful to your self and the path you have chosen.

Know that, though not all men are called but many of the called are chosen, and that is as soon as they become fit for entrance. So do not hate nor despise the non occultic but admonish them, for they no not that we are born into this world through amidst the Darkness of Matter, and the strife of contending forces.

When Catholic was still Catholic, the Priests also dive into occults, in fact, many of them then are exorcist, invocators. So you are doing nothing wrong in any, ye strangescientist.

Drinking itself isn’t bad but not to drink responsibly is.

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Study. If you have doubts, then study some more. Search the facts and question everything. Besides, why would anyone turn to light after they experienced the freedom of the darkness?

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I like to do some blasphemy.I was raised as a Muslim so I just say ,Fuck God" but you can say fuck christ and Hail Satan.
And if the best school you have is Catholic,go there.Education is very important and you can stand all of christian bullshit that they have there for a few years for a better education.
Also you can search ,Evil Chapters In The Bible" and you will see how wrong their religion is wrong.Also I recomend watching video called,Why summon evil demons" by EA Koetting.It really helps.

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I’m a very strange brand of Christian that believes no matter what you do God will forgive you since the Bible does say He is all merciful. Take that into consideration.

We also have free will on earth, so should you choose to go your own path that’s your choice. That’s the best thing about being human. We can make our own choices. I wouldn’t say ignore what you have been taught but rather be knowledgeable about it. You are allowed to have your faith, not just a “standard” faith.

You make your own path.

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Well I’m in the same situation, except I became an atheist before finding the left hand path. The only thing that has carryover from catholicism is the baphomet creeping me out. But I do still feel like that sometimes, especially when teachers and priests give me shit

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First, you have to fully accept that being on LHP and working with demons does not make you evil and the Christian-God does not have any kind of authority or control over you. After that, perform some blasphemy rituals against the Christian God (this forum and the entire web has many great rituals on it).

I would like to share a very cool blasphemy ritual with you :wink:
Go to a Church on Saturday (the Sabbath day) and go to the washroom and watch some nice God 'n Virgin Mary porn and/or Jesus 'n Virgin Mary porn or some extreme Virgin Mary, Jehova, Mary Magdalene, Jesus and his disciples orgy porn :blush: and ejaculate a big load. As we all know, the Christian God loses his mind when we please ourselves or ‘waste our life seed’ LOL!
Seriously, this could be a good ritual and you can also do it in front of the Jesus or Mary idols in the Church, but make sure you don’t get caught.
Also you can evoke Lucifer and ask for his help, He would definitely help you and show you the real light.
Have fun!

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My advice is to research the church, its founding, how it came into being, why it came into being. Gaining the knowledge of where it came from and what it stole from helped me realize its false. Knowledge is power. Research and learn other/older paths. Also, any time a thought like that enters your mind, say out loud or in your mind “I reject that thought” or “that is a lie”.

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I have this problem myself. Even as a child I felt attracted by Satan more than the christian God, now it’s not like the situation overturned but, still, I intend my “final” spiritual phase to be Right and not Left Hand Path.
Talking specifically about Magick, by taking a decision I would become more serious, receiving more help by the entities I work with. (Leaving aside for now the option of “middle path”/generic/neuter magick, although it’s indeed the road I try to follow)

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Sure. Consider that the demon the Catholics worship has demanded human sacrifice (most notably of children), supports murder and genocide in it’s name, is fairly okay with rape and pedophilia, etc. Now ask yourself: what kind of lunatic would ever bend a knee to such a being? And even if it does judge you, why would you alter your own behavior to appease such a cosmic shit head?

Maybe hell waits for me because I refuse to submit to such a monster, but honestly, I am quite happy to disappoint it if that is the case.

Fuck that guy.

If you found out that John Wayne Gacey was actually the divine creator and he demanded worship or else, would you worship him? Because Gacey has arguably caused a lot less suffering than the alleged word of this god-thing, and he got caught with the corpses of about 20 little boys in his crawl space.

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The only way to get through the programmed BS is to research the truth of the matter, as others here suggest. However the fear of hell/the devil/doom is a powerful one because it is transmitted from parent to sibling and priest to follower. In other words you are internalizing someone elses fears. Actually once you have got through that a catholic upbringing is not so much a bad thing as you can learn much about ritual. I would suggest researching psychology rather than “how awful the church is” - “The 4 Agreements” by Ruiz is a good starting point.

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@Kassapu @Aiden666 @TheGreyGuy The reason I’m so reluctant to take a permanent step in forever ritualistically distancing myself from Jehovah/YHVH is a little complicated. For this, I’m going to reference a television show called Penny Dreadful, which you may have heard of.

In the show, Vanessa Ives is a pseudo-Catholic spiritualist and medium who is partly possessed by Amunet, which the show claims is Lucifer/Amun-Ra’s love interest. At the end of the series, after she has gone through so much horror over the years in fighting the Devil, she asks her lover to kill her and thus release her from possession. She then recites the full version of the Lord’s Prayer:

And is immediately shot thereafter. But as she dies, her pupils dilate as she stares into the great beyond, and she says to her lover, “Oh Ethan! I see… our Lord…” and sheds a single tear before passing away.

I’m telling you all this because my ultimate fear in following the Left Hand Path is that I am cheating myself out of that time when the Lord will reveal himself to me. Most forms of Christianity agree that the singular eternal and unforgivable sin is blasphemy. Communing with demons and performing wicked acts are all technically forgivable if one repents. But blasphemy is not. So if I did that, I’d be making a permanent decision, according to common doctrine.

I suppose, in a sense, that this worry holds me prisoner. So how do I escape it?

That sounds like a great idea! @Lady_Eva Do you mind providing that journeying guide @Ryce mentioned?

You make some very good points, and I think I will do that, actually. On a related note, you just inadvertently gave me an interesting idea. What if, instead of the permanent blasphemy @Kassapu suggests, I did a ritual in which I ceremonially placed a Bible, and all of my associated beliefs, into a metal box with wards? I remember reading this at some point somewhere. It would have the effect of locking out the influence of Christianity from my life and mind, but serves as a backup that can be ceremonially re-opened if I ever felt I needed to. Thoughts?

This is really cool. I’ll check it out!

Shit, you’re right. I totally forgot that.

Very good points - thanks so much for the advice! I’ll follow up and let you know if I have questions.

You make a very convincing argument; I’m inclined to agree. After all, it was Christians who developed the Lesser Key of Solomon (Clavicula Salomonis Regis). Ars Goetia roughly translates to the Art of Evil Spirits.

You make a good point. However, I think at least one valid answer to your question would be that one may turn to light after experiencing the freedom of darkness because they seek enlightenment. Which gives rise to another question - are enlightenment and freedom mutually exclusive?

I wholeheartedly agree. That was a number of years ago, but I think that if it wasn’t for my Grade 10 Science teacher, I wouldn’t have decided to become a scientist and seek doctoral education in biochemistry.

Interesting, thank you. I’ll do both of those things!

That’s really interesting. But what about the section of the Bible that refers to blasphemy as an eternal, unforgivable sin?

I like that idea a lot; in a sense, it is a form of classical conditioning. Thanks!

That’s really interesting; you raise great points. I didn’t know about the human sacrifice bit; is there a specific section of the Bible that you could point me to?

I have another worry as well. What happens if I die and go to Hell, but family members end up in Heaven? Are they forever lost to me, or can residents of both communicate with one another?

Thanks for this - I’ll pick up a copy!

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If you are gonna do the blasphemy and all dirts and abuse, it means you want to be a Satanists, if not then focus on yourself and your crafts.

How you use this knowledge is where the point is, not the knowledge itself; be it RHP or LHP.

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You just need to truly realize that the Christian-God/Jehova/YHWH or whatever the heck his name is has absolutely NO CONTROL OVER YOU, you’re making this more complicated for you than it actually is, Jehova is no different than a power-sucking astral parasite, you’ll not go to hell for not blindly following him or any other “Holy people”, he has zero control over you, me, Archangels, Angels, Demons and the real Gods. What you need to do is to stop feeding him your precious energy and show him your middle finger and then move on.

I was once a Christian too (or at least I think I was) but very soon I realized what Jehova and his religion actually is and I got out of it, I go through the same feeling that you’re feeling (to a very tiny extent) when I started to realize that he is NOT the real God and he and his religion is complete crap. I faced no ‘oppression’ when I turned away from the fake light of Christianity because I knew he have no control over me.

You can read the entire Bible, it’s one of the best tools to drive non-gullible people away from Christianity. And for the blasphemy rituals, I personally think that those rituals are just for your subconscious mind (for the feeling that I’ve shown him his real place, now he will leave me alone or disown me as his child). I never did any blasphemy-rituals (just verbally assaulted him many times and he deserve it) because I KNOW that he doesn’t have any authority over me and my life. And he can’t even dare to mess with me because me and my Gods and Goddesses will show him his real place.
You can call the real God of light, Lucifer, and ask him to show you the reality of Christianity. You can even call Archangel Michael and/or Archangel Raphael to clear all your doubts about all this.

Wishing you all the best in your spiritual journey!

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Don’t go against your programming if you aren’t ready.

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Remember that if you wind up going to Christian heaven, you are essentially trapped with the YHWH that is threatening to torture you in Christian hell.

Every bad thing about hell in Christianity is a reason not to go to heaven. “Torture if you don’t do what I want” IS torture. It’s not love, it’s stockholm syndrome, and getting stuck with that is not any better

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Also, don’t forget that if you go to heaven and your loved ones do not make it, then you have to spend eternity knowing that they are getting tortured. That is also a kind of eternal torture, the hopeless sort of torture of knowing your loved ones suffer and you are powerless to help them

And eternity is a long time to know your loved ones suffer.

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Actually many Christians with a somewhat philosophical POV don’t believe in hell or the Bible, they use it as symbolism, that when they die they will be happy and someone is looking out for them and so they don’t go crazy. That’s what my catholic school taught. Being an Athiest is fine when you’re happy but when you are in a bad spot it’s the worst, you can’t lean on anything. Anyway I’m saying most never find this path, and lean on a loose version of Christianity to make it through life, and roasting those people is pointless(not that you were I’m just saying)

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Ive seen more personal hell in my living life than the threats of preachers, doctrine, and those god awful faux YouTube videos. The history of the Jewish/Christian conquest over other cultures is enough to reveal it appears more of man’s agenda and lies than perhaps the spirits. If we are images of this god then he’ll would be better than the delusion of heaven as it’s probably like earth but worse.

I used to worry. Now I so don’t care. Hardly anything to worry about imho.

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I recently found this incantation that is made to banish power of Jehovah from you.Years of religion get you connected to a spirit but once you break that connection he is powerless and you realize that he is just an egoistical megalomaniac and just using fear tactics to scare you.Here goes link for V.K. Jehannum’s incantation:

Also you may look at these verses from KJV Bible:

1 Peter 2:18 King James Version (KJV)
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Luke 16:18 King James Version (KJV)
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.-Divorce=Cheating

Matthew 5:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Revelation 21:8 King James Version (KJV)
,But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."-Only a kind and loving god would serve this kind of punishment,right

And also remember these are all from the new testament,old testament is at least a 100 times worse

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Oh. Well then evoke him. Get that shit over with, you’re putting someone on a pedestal that imo doesn’t deserve the time of day.

Part of he problem of the Abrahamic religions is that the human hierarchy added in rules so you can’t get your own gnosis. Then they pulled the narc trick of claiming all other daemons are doing what they’re doing - lying their faces off, since they can’t imagine why anyone wouldn’t. They then flip the story so that what is beneficial (giving knowledge) is evil, and what is evil (killing innocents on a whim) is good - yhwh is about as dark and evil as it gets, darker than Jinn and daemons that are only baneful - they never act except when asked by humans, and will tell you no if it’s too much - and he breaks the rules of sovereignty by interfering in a free will planet knowing he wasn’t supposed to.

So try it but be wise. It’s a relatively minor daemon, but it’s quite mad, psychopathic, loves mind games and will attempt to show you what he wants you to see, is a domineering liar and wants you to keep playing as his sweet toy boy. If he was on the level of mad Cthulu I wouldn’t think about it, but he’s nothing. The only reason he’s made such a mess down here is because he broke the rules when the bigger guys maintained their integrity and chose not to. IMO of course.

Also, don’t forget that if you go to heaven and your loved ones do not make it, then you have to spend eternity knowing that they are getting tortured.

Yeah, isn’t that some cultish mind-fuckery for you? There is no hell, and you can go talk to them anytime anyway, but NO, let’s tell, no, threaten everyone this horrible thing will happen to make sure peer pressure is used as a cult recruiting tool. Also ‘suffer not a sorcerer to live’ aka kill anyone with the insight to know this so they can’t let the secret out and “god-forbid!” empower anyone.

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