Has anyone here attempted any evocations with any of the Norse gods such as Odin and if so what was the experience like? Is it the same as performing a regular evocation?
Honestly, I haven’t evoked any Norse gods, though I can say that it’s safe to assume that it would be like any other evocation. The only difference I can really say is that, like every evocation, would just be that the entity is different from all the others in how it may look, sound, the happenings when it shows up, etc.
I discuss this in the Mastering Evocation Course. The method of evoking gods is the same as any other entity. The force required to be able to do it is immense. You’re going to get deeper into the rapture than you’ve ever been before, which is psychically traumatic on its own, and it’s going to take every drop of focus that you have to be able to structure the astral matrix needed to facilitate their coming.
I don’t know that I would call on the Norse pantheon for simple tasks that any other entity can fulfill, though.
[quote=“E.A., post:3, topic:1357”]I discuss this in the Mastering Evocation Course. The method of evoking gods is the same as any other entity. The force required to be able to do it is immense. You’re going to get deeper into the rapture than you’ve ever been before, which is psychically traumatic on its own, and it’s going to take every drop of focus that you have to be able to structure the astral matrix needed to facilitate their coming.
I don’t know that I would call on the Norse pantheon for simple tasks that any other entity can fulfill, though.[/quote]
So as deep as one must descend into the rapture to evoke a God,
one need only descend lightly into a rapture to evoke a lesser spirit ?
“Lightly” is pretty relative. You need to descend into rapture to the degree that this world moves into the background and the Crossroads where the spirit meets you moves into the foreground.
The intensity of the rapture is what varies. The more powerful the entity is, the more intense the rapture both will need to be, as well as will naturally become.
Several years ago, I performed a series of evocations of Egyptian deities, and the rapture was so intense that it felt as if I was being torn apart.
What’s interesting about the Rapture state, though, is that it is very intense, and creates an almost audible maelstrom around you… but as soon as you cross into the Crossroads, all goes silent, and you are suspended in absolute bliss.
With the evocation of gods, both the maelstrom and the bliss are immeasurably more intense.
Could you elaborate on this a bit? I was unaware that the T/G sync or rapture state could have negative effects
Not negative at all… just intense. You’re battling yourself in an extreme way. Your vision starts to fade or distort, your heart races, your blood pumping more rapidly through your body, your lungs process oxygen at a greater rte, and your brain is overloaded with chemistry of every sort.
On top of the internal shifts, the air around you thickens. The spirits fill the space within the temple. The atmosphere becomes alive with power, and you’re breathing it all in and cycling it back out, each step of the process feeding the others.
Basically, you find yourself in the middle of chaos, and the only way out is through.
[quote=“E.A., post:7, topic:1357”]Not negative at all… just intense. You’re battling yourself in an extreme way. Your vision starts to fade or distort, your heart races, your blood pumping more rapidly through your body, your lungs process oxygen at a greater rte, and your brain is overloaded with chemistry of every sort.
On top of the internal shifts, the air around you thickens. The spirits fill the space within the temple. The atmosphere becomes alive with power, and you’re breathing it all in and cycling it back out, each step of the process feeding the others.
Basically, you find yourself in the middle of chaos, and the only way out is through.[/quote]
I thought perhaps you were talking about splitting the pysche or something as a potential side effect…thats a relief. Since doing this Ive been doing consistent reality checks to make sure Im not making myself insane.
Have you found that the more you do this, that you adapt and get used it, or…depending on the energies involved, I imagine, is it always intense to the point of discomfort?
“I thought perhaps you were talking about splitting the pysche or something as a potential side effect…thats a relief. Since doing this Ive been doing consistent reality checks to make sure Im not making myself insane.
Have you found that the more you do this, that you adapt and get used it, or…depending on the energies involved, I imagine, is it always intense to the point of discomfort?”
First off, insanity is always a concern. When you live in a world where the only thing that separates the imagined from the real is a ritual, and when you experience firsthand the reality that there is no separation between any one thing and another, but that all things are one and all that we experience around us is maya, and even the fact that we can think of things as maya is an illusion as well… insanity is a very real concern.
This is probably one reason why I favor magick over mysticism: the production of tangible and verifiable results. I can perform evocations all day long, but if my girlfriend, my daughter, and I are living in my mom’s basement and eating off of food stamps, it’s pretty clear that nothing real is happening. I know that that is a rough delineation to make, because many awesome mystics live in squalor, especially in India, Tibet, and Africa, and are indeed coming into daily contact with forces that are very real, and they possess siddhis that I envy at this point in my journey, but that’s the big difference between the mystic and the magician.
I also don’t know that the true mystic is very concerned with sanity at all, anyways!
As far as adapting to the states, it’s like asking if you adapt to orgasm, because Rapture and Orgasm really possess similar characteristics. Having practiced vajrayana and tantric bindu-yama, orgasm wraps up to an intensity that is unbearable, and the force of it catapults you into the realization of your body as a vehicle of the Eternal, of Atman, of Sat Nam, and rather than exploding or imploding, you become transfigured. Of course, when your partner is capable of doing the same, then sex becomes the union between Shiva and Shakti, and orgasm destroys all of creation, suspending you in the middle of primordial nothingness.
Rapture leading to the Crossroads is quite similar!
(sorry for the ongoing rambling. I’m still working on my morning coffee, so these are the first disorganized thoughts today!)
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As far as adapting to the states, it's like asking if you adapt to orgasm, because Rapture and Orgasm really possess similar characteristics. Having practiced vajrayana and tantric bindu-yama, orgasm wraps up to an intensity that is unbearable, and the force of it catapults you into the realization of your body as a vehicle of the Eternal, of Atman, of Sat Nam, and rather than exploding or imploding, you become transfigured. Of course, when your partner is capable of doing the same, then sex becomes the union between Shiva and Shakti, and orgasm destroys all of creation, suspending you in the middle of primordial nothingness.
That settles it…I’m going to learn Tantra.
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You don’t have to commit yourself to Tantra to achieve this “orgasmic” rapture. Like EA said, evoking a god will push your rapture to this level of intensity. Call it the western magick version of Tantra. You can also push this further with temporary possession of the same entities/gods. I also fully agree with not calling them for tasks other entities can perform. Call them for major/severe change or for the purpose of ascent.
I really enjoyed the orgasm analogy. Tantra taught me to really understand what my body is doing during orgasm, and that understanding led to me getting over the “novelty” of awesome feelings and instead utilizing them for specific purposes.
My biggest issue right now is hitting the rapture state, and then being overwhelmed and completely forgetting the reasons why Im doing a ritual in the first place. This should help fix that. (as the voice in the back of my head goes, “ya know you could just write stuff down, right?”)
EA, can this deepest rapture-like state be achieved by evoking one of the Runes ?
thanks in advance
If you start evoking the runes, you’re going to get a lot more than a deep rapture state! I’m in the middle of my own Jotunatru Norse Sorcery pathworking, and it’s a ridiculously powerful system.
Thanks
please recommend any resources in this area.
I hope you will share your knowledge on that as well, once you’re through it.
Please recommend any source material on this.
Thursatru, Jotuntru and Rokkrtru are related terms and are counterparts to Asatru (Faith/trust in the Aesir) and Vanirtru (Faith/trust in the Vanir).
Generally Heathens (or other followers of the Northern Mysteries or Tradition), revere the Gods, Goddesses and their Ancestors. More will read the runes or practice other forms of divination. A minority will be operant practitioners of Galdor (Rune Magick) or Seidr ((traditionally dark) Sorcery or Witchcraft).
Some source material which could be recommended include the Norse Sagas and Eddas.
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Gullveig was one of the first witches and was a goddess of the Vanir and it was in retribution for her death that the first God War started.
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Raven Kaldera has written several books from personal gnosis and expresses views which some find controversial (read as fear) within the general Heathen (Norse Pagan) community. NB the books are pretty practical and useful for a Northern Sorcerer or Shaman.
Stuff about Thursatru
The Principles of the Thursatru Tradition
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Check out the book by Thomas Karlsson: Uthark: Nightside of the Runes
Also for books on Seidr: Jenny Blain, Runic John and Kate Gerrard could be useful
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So until we hear about E.A’s own Jotunatru Norse Sorcery pathworking, the references I have provided will be an excellent place to start.
Another thing: the Norse Gods and Goddesses are often referred to as the Elder Kin and in mythology both man and woman were created from trees and given faerie gifts such as breath(Life), charisma(appearance), Wit (Intelligence) and much more from Odin, Vili and Ve. The World Tree Yggdrasil is a metaphor for the interconnectivity of ALL KIND.
So all hear know that we can wake up, embrace our heritage and become living gods. Because we already are spiritual beings playing with the physical realm.
Thank you, Merlin. Many of these resources that you mention are the very same ones that I used in beginning my studies.
I’m definitely going to be putting together a Norse Sorcery Pathworking Course, and it’s going to be amazing!
This is what I have been waiting for!!
I’ve worked through some books in the past regarding Norse Magick (DJ Conways “Norse Magic” not withstanding) but very little working knowledge so it would be a welcome sight to be learned in this art. This I would make a good hearty purchase. The mythos is fascinating filled with such potential for the practitioner. It would only need a good captain to lead the way towards fulfillment. Thank you Merlin for the Norse insight.
True, im Cuban-American but I don’t think I would have been kicked out of a viking ship. Besides lets remember that my shoe size is 13!!