Not exactly that easy for me but okay ha. Iām in a wheelchair so Iām use to being friend zoned. Iāve been focusing on accepting my past and moving forward. So I can get the things I want from life. So I figured I do that more while she goes through whatever. I didnāt let her know it bothered me but I brought I up here because I didnāt know if my spell failed or if the spirits are testing me ha
Yeah but the fact that she knows you like her and sheās talking about some other guy makes her a fucking cunt. Especially since you are in a wheel chair. Youāve got a disadvantage and I give you major props for doing what your doing. Keep at it. If thereās anything I can do to help pm and Iāll do what I can. But for real fuck that bitch.
Jayā¦ I donāt really think that the girl is a cunt, itās heās friendā¦ Even if he didnāt get her it doesnāt mean that he and everyone has to go on hating her.
True she is my friend still plus I donāt give up easily either lol anyway quick update I did E.A. red/black candle spell to add more energy towards her so now I wait 
Ok, Iāve been reading through this thread and I just want to give my advise and what I would do in your situation. Its good that your doing all these spells but I feel that where your going wrong is that your putting TOO much energy into this situation, I personally would have done one spell and try to forget about even doing the spellā¦( I know, easier said then done, especially when its a love spell) and also try not contacting her for as long as you can and wait for her to contact you, and when she does contact you, be as casual as you can, donāt ask to meet with her, let her ask youā¦also when you are together next try thisā¦its works amazingly for meā¦try to visualize where your energy is being directed, 9 times out of ten all your energy will be directed towards her, if it is, direct your energy in the opposite direction away from her, if your asking how to do this, I just use mental visualization, basically imagining a stream of energy coming out of me, I donāt know why but this has worked wonders for me, literally within seconds of doing this Iāve had girls be distant with me and then all of a sudden move really close to me and start being all touchy with me, I hope this helps, its worth a tryā¦good luck
Thank you for the advice, Iāll give that a try next time Iām around her. 
In fact I got to hang out with her all day today 
(never gotten to do that before) We chilled and watched movies. No touchy feely but she wasnāt pushing me away either so Iām not complaining
However still thinks of me as a friendā¦
I think youāll get what you want from her in the end, I think you should be more phycological about the situation now as oppose to magical, as youāve all ready done the spells, however, you could also try using a Spirit to make you more attractive, confident, assertive e.t.c I think that some self work like that would put you into the right frame of mind when your around her, and kind of give you that energy about you to make her realise that its her loss if sheās not with you and make her realise that you can have fun and have a fulfilling life without her, and even just that would make her feel a whole lot more attracted to you, like I said before, donāt give her your energy, make her work for it, that will also attract her to you more, if your already giving her the energy sheās craving from you, she doesnāt need to work for it and I think that might be where your going Wongā¦hope this helpsā¦
It does itās funny to cause both times now that youāve commented Iāve gotten opportunities opened up to me lol. I meet someone today thatās helping me improve my life. Helping with money and stuff like that and I booked an appointment with E.A. today to! 
so Iāll defiantly will be busy and my energy will be redirected for a whole so now I know for sure Iāll get her some day soon
Thatās great! Glad to hear it, good luck getting her and if you have any questions in the future, feel free to message meā¦
Man itās been weeks now and still no change. Sheās talking to me again but keeping me at a distance and is still interested in the other guy. 
I know they worked, I know I put a lot of energy into this but itās still not enough
Well, thereās a few things at work here that Iām pretty sure are happening but thatās to be taken with a grain of salt. I can only comment because Iām on the outside looking in. Also, this will possibly sound harsh at times but if you can handle whatever it was back then, you can do it now. At least this time it will aid you. That is my aim.
First: you. So, youāre panicking for a girl you love. Or like, or have feelings for or want to bone. I canāt really tell. Youāre having vague language in regards to how you feel. That isnāt going to help, you need to be specific. Write down how you feel and what you want from her. Not why or some grand research paper or a book about love and loss- thatās too weighty right now but Iād suggest so in the future for better clarity. From what youāve described, you donāt seem to want a relationship of mutual trust and independence. You sound like you want a pseudo-mom.
Second: the girl. If she has feelings for another person, that complicates things more. That means she has to weigh the feelings she has for you versus him. If it comes down it, she might just outright refuse you for the other guy. At best, she would be stressed and irresistibly pulled to you. It might be her character now to be that way normally. That presents a problem for you. Youāre making external forces work against internal forces, usually internal wins depending on the skill of the magician but thatās outside the scope here. I donāt know if youāre a cherry mage or not but whatever. To aid that, instead of thinking of her being your caretaker, and therefore constantly withholding emotions and feelings because she might look at you like a train wreck which, to be frank, most people and especially parents have to have some restrictions in place because they know what theyāre dealing with.
That wonāt help you for love and lust since theyāre manifested through various forms based on the person and the relationship to their person of desire. What you could do is somehow plant into her brain the idea that incest (fake! Not real!) is somehow hot. Tumblr and all of itās porny goodness works wonders for that. Whatever is hotter.
Three: the demon. With both of these two things on the table, Iād imagine that whatever forces youāre using are probably working overtime. They canāt break laws or natural rhythms like that. You want forces of destruction, like angels but thatās 1) more complex of a subject, 2) grossly unneeded for this. Donāt try to reinvent the wheel. Give them more time.
Sounds long winded and harsh but reality, as you know, can be that way. Having a positive attitude helps. Sounds kind of weird for your situation but with magic, itās a requirement. If it fails with this particular person, it just means something didnāt go right. Means nothing in the long run if youāre serious about being a magician. However, those results WILL come in time. That is a rule itself. So donāt give up. If none of those work to your wish, cast the net wider. Also, I may have gotten mixed up in some porno thoughts of my own so point out where I went off track and ask me to explain.
SpardaWolf, have you thought about getting a reading done asking if pursuing her is aiding your ascent/empowerment/highest good?
She MAY be the goal thatās there to motivate you to commit to magick and give your all, or, your feelings may be a crud-encrusted anchor thatās holding you back and making you lose focus on other things.
I canāt guess at that from the screen but I think itās something to look into.
Having a determination and a noble quest for something improbable is all well and good when it drives your evolution, but if itās not doing, that could be why the spirits are tardy on delivering the results, maybe itās even causing both your and her Higher Selves (or whatever) to block this.
Would you, for example, see yourself giving up magick entirely, or relegating it to āsometing I might pick up in future if I have a problemā if she were to declare her undying passion to you tomorrow?
Spirits, for whatever reason, seem willing to pull out all the stops for the man or woman whose workings are part of a long-term goal of ascent and empowerment, but they donāt usually like to be used like utilities for someone who isnāt that committed. Well IMO anyway.
These are things to think about but I do definitely recommend getting that reading done, about what this all means for you.
Well, thereās a few things at work here that Iām pretty sure are happening but thatās to be taken with a grain of salt. I can only comment because Iām on the outside looking in. Also, this will possibly sound harsh at times but if you can handle whatever it was back then, you can do it now. At least this time it will aid you. That is my aim.
First: you. So, youāre panicking for a girl you love. Or like, or have feelings for or want to bone. I canāt really tell. Youāre having vague language in regards to how you feel. That isnāt going to help, you need to be specific. Write down how you feel and what you want from her. Not why or some grand research paper or a book about love and loss- thatās too weighty right now but Iād suggest so in the future for better clarity. From what youāve described, you donāt seem to want a relationship of mutual trust and independence. You sound like you want a pseudo-mom.
Second: the girl. If she has feelings for another person, that complicates things more. That means she has to weigh the feelings she has for you versus him. If it comes down it, she might just outright refuse you for the other guy. At best, she would be stressed and irresistibly pulled to you. It might be her character now to be that way normally. That presents a problem for you. Youāre making external forces work against internal forces, usually internal wins depending on the skill of the magician but thatās outside the scope here. I donāt know if youāre a cherry mage or not but whatever. To aid that, instead of thinking of her being your caretaker, and therefore constantly withholding emotions and feelings because she might look at you like a train wreck which, to be frank, most people and especially parents have to have some restrictions in place because they know what theyāre dealing with.
That wonāt help you for love and lust since theyāre manifested through various forms based on the person and the relationship to their person of desire. What you could do is somehow plant into her brain the idea that incest (fake! Not real!) is somehow hot. Tumblr and all of itās porny goodness works wonders for that. Whatever is hotter.
Three: the demon. With both of these two things on the table, Iād imagine that whatever forces youāre using are probably working overtime. They canāt break laws or natural rhythms like that. You want forces of destruction, like angels but thatās 1) more complex of a subject, 2) grossly unneeded for this. Donāt try to reinvent the wheel. Give them more time.
Sounds long winded and harsh but reality, as you know, can be that way. Having a positive attitude helps. Sounds kind of weird for your situation but with magic, itās a requirement. If it fails with this particular person, it just means something didnāt go right. Means nothing in the long run if youāre serious about being a magician. However, those results WILL come in time. That is a rule itself. So donāt give up. If none of those work to your wish, cast the net wider. Also, I may have gotten mixed up in some porno thoughts of my own so point out where I went off track and ask me to explain.[/quote]
No itās not just to have sex. I generally want to be in a relationship with her. I love her. I love being around her, hearing about her day, her past. Everything. When Iām around her Iām calm which isnāt usual for me because when someone is around me Iām on edge. Even my own family. No Iām not looking for a care taker. Sheās helped me become the opposite to where I take care of myself. Itās gotten to the point though where if I donāt talk to her sheāll talk to me.
As for questions not really ha you explained it well enough that I understood.
[quote=āLady Eva, post:34, topic:5736ā]SpardaWolf, have you thought about getting a reading done asking if pursuing her is aiding your ascent/empowerment/highest good?
She MAY be the goal thatās there to motivate you to commit to magick and give your all, or, your feelings may be a crud-encrusted anchor thatās holding you back and making you lose focus on other things.
I canāt guess at that from the screen but I think itās something to look into.
Having a determination and a noble quest for something improbable is all well and good when it drives your evolution, but if itās not doing, that could be why the spirits are tardy on delivering the results, maybe itās even causing both your and her Higher Selves (or whatever) to block this.
Would you, for example, see yourself giving up magick entirely, or relegating it to āsometing I might pick up in future if I have a problemā if she were to declare her undying passion to you tomorrow?
Spirits, for whatever reason, seem willing to pull out all the stops for the man or woman whose workings are part of a long-term goal of ascent and empowerment, but they donāt usually like to be used like utilities for someone who isnāt that committed. Well IMO anyway.
These are things to think about but I do definitely recommend getting that reading done, about what this all means for you.[/quote]
I have yes and they told me itās not impossible. I do have an appointment with E.A. Thursday. As far as if sheās good for my empowerment Iām not entirely sure. My accents tends to circle around a lot and I hit brick walls. Last time that happened my progress was completely destroyed and I became really depression point of suicidal. Once I got back into the swing of things like basic meditation, lucid dreaming and astro travel she came into my life and since then sheās been helping me. I didnāt ask any spirits to help. She just showed up.
Little back story. I use to be addicted to lucid dreaming. The reason why is because I would be visited by a mysterious woman that would calm me down and basically acted as if we were in a relationship. She would take form of some my crushes but I could tell it was her because of her eyes. They had a pinkish tint to them. One day I asked who she was and how I could find her. She didnāt tell me, she just vanished. A couple weeks later I met the girl Iām trying to be in a relationship now and since then after meeting her my life keeps getting better.
Each time I do a spell I feel myself getting stronger so Iām not going to drop magic ha Iāve been doing other work as well. Personal growth both physical and spiritual. Iāve gotten amazing results because of it to I hardly recognize myself ha but when it comes to love spells they donāt work or half way work.
Right - well I did this working nearly two years ago now, and boy has it paid off: Evocation Of My Personal Daemon.
I thought of this when I read back through your posts after your last reply - it seems like thereās a hunger for a supportive, loveable, desirable feminine energy in your life, and the working I did there was to draw down higher aspects of myself, explicitly into (in my case) the form of an attractive, strong, and desirable man.
It was like a form of soul-retrieval, but not one aimed towards acquiring a more androgynous energy - quite the opposite in fact!
Iāve always been totally into love, lust, romance, even as a very young child before I knew anything about what sex was I had crushes on actors and thatās never stopped, I fall massively in love with some sexy new guy on a regular basis! 
For ages I didnāt know how to handle this because I was brought up to believe you fall in love once, and thatās it, and that fucked me up for ages.
I spent years disliking that about myself, that I was a fool for love (well, usually lust) quite often when I was younger (Iām in a good relationship now, with someone who tolerates my weirdness) - but now I see it as a strength, that raw power of desire that comes with a side of wanting some kind of mastery over things, and this Personal Daemon working stemmed from me researching that, plus a lucky find of the book itās based on.
Thereās something about men that appeals to me as a force in its own right, and I realise now I was looking for some kind of ownership of that, through these ridiculous early love affairs (disasters would be another good name for them) where I pinned everything on these totally random guysā¦ it sounds dumb but it really messed my life up for years, so Iām mighty glad I found a way out of it all!
The power of my own PD continues to grow, heās recently started talking about becoming akin to my Holy Guardian Angel (something I previously wasnāt concerned with) - anyway maybe give that thread a read, see if itās something you might be interested in?
Right - well I did this working nearly two years ago now, and boy has it paid off: Evocation Of My Personal Daemon.
I thought of this when I read back through your posts after your last reply - it seems like thereās a hunger for a supportive, loveable, desirable feminine energy in your life, and the working I did there was to draw down higher aspects of myself, explicitly into (in my case) the form of an attractive, strong, and desirable man.
It was like a form of soul-retrieval, but not one aimed towards acquiring a more androgynous energy - quite the opposite in fact!
Iāve always been totally into love, lust, romance, even as a very young child before I knew anything about what sex was I had crushes on actors and thatās never stopped, I fall massively in love with some sexy new guy on a regular basis!
For ages I didnāt know how to handle this because I was brought up to believe you fall in love once, and thatās it, and that fucked me up for ages.
I spent years disliking that about myself, that I was a fool for love (well, usually lust) quite often when I was younger (Iām in a good relationship now, with someone who tolerates my weirdness) - but now I see it as a strength, that raw power of desire that comes with a side of wanting some kind of mastery over things, and this Personal Daemon working stemmed from me researching that, plus a lucky find of the book itās based on.
Thereās something about men that appeals to me as a force in its own right, and I realise now I was looking for some kind of ownership of that, through these ridiculous early love affairs (disasters would be another good name for them) where I pinned everything on these totally random guysā¦ it sounds dumb but it really messed my life up for years, so Iām mighty glad I found a way out of it all!
The power of my own PD continues to grow, heās recently started talking about becoming akin to my Holy Guardian Angel (something I previously wasnāt concerned with) - anyway maybe give that thread a read, see if itās something you might be interested in?[/quote]
Very interesting read yes that is my greatest desire to have. Iāve come close to having it physically, not just in my dreams ha, but itās always taken away by someone else 
Iāve always been the nice guy. I respect woman and everything about them. Though Iāve never been noticed by them or just thought of as a friend. For years I blamed my wheelchair but now I see that it was because I was to āweakā or not man enough. Now that I think about it thatās probably why Iām impatient on love spells, that love (in return) is one of my greatest desires ha
Anyway it would be interesting to meet my personal daemon. I have to think about it more. As to a choosing a āfigureā and such ha Though a physical relationship would be nice to lol
Well, thereās a few things at work here that Iām pretty sure are happening but thatās to be taken with a grain of salt. I can only comment because Iām on the outside looking in. Also, this will possibly sound harsh at times but if you can handle whatever it was back then, you can do it now. At least this time it will aid you. That is my aim.
First: you. So, youāre panicking for a girl you love. Or like, or have feelings for or want to bone. I canāt really tell. Youāre having vague language in regards to how you feel. That isnāt going to help, you need to be specific. Write down how you feel and what you want from her. Not why or some grand research paper or a book about love and loss- thatās too weighty right now but Iād suggest so in the future for better clarity. From what youāve described, you donāt seem to want a relationship of mutual trust and independence. You sound like you want a pseudo-mom.
Second: the girl. If she has feelings for another person, that complicates things more. That means she has to weigh the feelings she has for you versus him. If it comes down it, she might just outright refuse you for the other guy. At best, she would be stressed and irresistibly pulled to you. It might be her character now to be that way normally. That presents a problem for you. Youāre making external forces work against internal forces, usually internal wins depending on the skill of the magician but thatās outside the scope here. I donāt know if youāre a cherry mage or not but whatever. To aid that, instead of thinking of her being your caretaker, and therefore constantly withholding emotions and feelings because she might look at you like a train wreck which, to be frank, most people and especially parents have to have some restrictions in place because they know what theyāre dealing with.
That wonāt help you for love and lust since theyāre manifested through various forms based on the person and the relationship to their person of desire. What you could do is somehow plant into her brain the idea that incest (fake! Not real!) is somehow hot. Tumblr and all of itās porny goodness works wonders for that. Whatever is hotter.
Three: the demon. With both of these two things on the table, Iād imagine that whatever forces youāre using are probably working overtime. They canāt break laws or natural rhythms like that. You want forces of destruction, like angels but thatās 1) more complex of a subject, 2) grossly unneeded for this. Donāt try to reinvent the wheel. Give them more time.
Sounds long winded and harsh but reality, as you know, can be that way. Having a positive attitude helps. Sounds kind of weird for your situation but with magic, itās a requirement. If it fails with this particular person, it just means something didnāt go right. Means nothing in the long run if youāre serious about being a magician. However, those results WILL come in time. That is a rule itself. So donāt give up. If none of those work to your wish, cast the net wider. Also, I may have gotten mixed up in some porno thoughts of my own so point out where I went off track and ask me to explain.[/quote]
No itās not just to have sex. I generally want to be in a relationship with her. I love her. I love being around her, hearing about her day, her past. Everything. When Iām around her Iām calm which isnāt usual for me because when someone is around me Iām on edge. Even my own family. No Iām not looking for a care taker. Sheās helped me become the opposite to where I take care of myself. Itās gotten to the point though where if I donāt talk to her sheāll talk to me.
As for questions not really ha you explained it well enough that I understood.[/quote]
Sweet deal then bro, I wish you the best of luck. Hopefully you get your dream girl.