Well,this forum is a forum of black magicians,not spiritual religious worshipers or pseudoskeptical scientific apologetics.As such,people here may have both views.
In fact,some have achieved a solipsistic point,where they can only perceive themselves,as creators,and thus consider everything,not just every spirit,but everything,a manifestation of their own mind.
Alternatively,there are those who come to the conclusion of hard polytheism,that these entities are very real,and that they exist as separate consciousnesses somewhere up there.
Being trilingual,when talking to spirits,they shift from language to language,simply because I’m more comfortable in the English language,I was educated in the French language,and I was raised in the Bosnian language.Which shows that their voices,and their languages,are mental constructs.
Their forms,change from person to person,perception to perception,and when they agree,great.WHen not,though,it goes to show that these forms that we use for idolatry are masks as well.
As black magicians,the common observation is that spirits in general are real,but they act much like gravity does,or any other force in the universe.There is a power,out there,or even a love of something,like a love of history.
A spirit has been overseeing the rise and fall of humanity,taking note of everything that has happened,and how an empire may avoid it and benefit from it.This spirit is the spirit from KoF,named Tuel.
However,on the highest level,Tuel isn’t an intelligence,he’s a force,given consciousness by the magician animating him,structuring into him a beholdable form and a discernable voice.
But prior to that moment,Tuel was an abstract force.Likewise,I can tell Tuel to help me study history,and he will do so in a heartbeat.If I have a very evil black magician teacher(which is a very improbable idea),then he/she can tell Tuel to stop me from studying history.
Tuel can do both,because the force behind Tuel obeys,even though the individual mask of power that I am learning from,as Tuel,may not agree,the teacher has a different Tuel,and yet they’re the same…what?
In fact,those are my beliefs about God as well.We have an Eternal Source,which radiates life,and energy.It’s omnipotent,omniscient,omnipresent,everything.But it has no morals,no will of its own even,no sentience,I doubt it can even think,it is neutral in every way,and won’t care who we kill or love.
And then there’s the personality of Allah,Jehovah,Yahweh,Ahura Mazda,Atum,etc. who was a figment of people’s imaginations,that they used to establish an objective morality when times were hard in the Middle East.
This…egregore rose and decided to establish monotheism and monolatry,it was attention-seeking and power-hungry.First,it took on the mask of Atum,associating itself with the light,so that people would worship it as light.Then,it assumed the form of Ahura Mazda,associating itself with good,so that people would worship it as good.Then it assumed the form of Elohim,and later on YHWH,blessing a people that would worship it,and also claiming the ‘‘El’’ part,that would associate numerous angels,and demons to it,thus conquering the mythology.
As incarnate Jesus,it conquered love,and through Muhammed it conquered free will.This thing,has set itself up as a mask,over the Eternal Source,painting all of its power,and all of its glory,as its own.It has conquered some aspects of the world,one by one,and by the thoughts of others,been brought to life.
However,we like to think those consciousnesses are innate to the spirits,since they match so closely with other magician’s,but in the long-run,we reeeally don’t care.
No seriously,I’ve always found these things to be more than real,and I reeeally don’t care.The magical mottos of the black magician are:
1.To Know,To Dare,To Will,To Do and To Keep Silent
2.The only thing greater than what I am is what I can become.
3.Love is the single most powerful force in reality.
a few others that have slipped my mind,and of course…
That last one comes into play here,that as magicians,we should care on whether it produces results or not,whether it works,in teaching us,or in helping us,or in making us grow.