Marriage in black magic?

I don’t hear a lot about black magic or heathen marriage rituals. My gf and I want to get married in secret (from our strict catholic parents) but I can’t find much on the subject. Does anyone have any good sources for heathen marriage rituals(Norse)?

Welcome to the forum!

A lot of modern heathens seem to get positively sniffy towards people who don’t recruit their whole neighbourhood, but that’s because they’re treating it as a religion.

But a black magician who works within this paradigm is under no such obligation, especially since the cultural genocide of northern Europe by a hostile middle eastern zombie cult.

This article examines the subject and lays out the arguments on both sides: Ritual – Engagements & Weddings.

If you were to perform a semi-magickal marriage, by summoning your gods to witness the marriage, this may have long-term repercussions - I would advise doing some divination on that first, to check that this is right for you both.

Some people here work with the Runes and with northern European gods & spirits in a magickal way, have a look using the Search Function for older threads about that, and hopefully some other people will reply here as well.

Also, check out the New Member Resources Thread which has a lot of other great stuff.

But first, please take a moment to post an introduction here - it’s one of the Rules of this forum.

Many thanks! :slight_smile:

Even priests and right haded magicians often unofficially say marriage is spiritually enslaving and an absurdity. Personally I think it is one of main roots of human unhappiness. Nevertheless, I think children must know their parents and be loved and supported by their parents.

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Yeah, having someone who’s on your side, loves you, completes you, satisfies you sexually and so on - who needs that when there’s porn and whores? :wink:

(And cats, wine, and prozac for the ladies of course!)

I think marriage is an iffy thing. I have seen very few marriages where the two people are happy and a good match. But when I do it makes me wish I could have someone like that.

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As magicians, we can surely rig the odds, and find someone we’ll still like and respect, long after the intial buzz of hormones has worn off. Or maybe I’m just an optimist. :\

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[quote=“Lady Eva, post:6, topic:8539”]As magicians, we can surely rig the odds, and find someone we’ll still like and respect, long after the intial buzz of hormones has worn off. Or maybe I’m just an optimist. :[/quote] Nothing wrong with opimism.

[quote=“Lady Eva, post:4, topic:8539”]Yeah, having someone who’s on your side, loves you, completes you, satisfies you sexually and so on - who needs that when there’s porn and whores? :wink:

(And cats, wine, and prozac for the ladies of course!)[/quote]

Why can’t this person satisfy you with the porn and whores? We’re talking about unconditional love here…So these things shouldn’t be a problem…Right?

Well, ask Charlie Sheen, he had all that and yet I don’t think I’ve seen a less happy man, at least not someone who was as successful as he was in his prime… :\

Well, ask Charlie Sheen, he had all that and yet I don’t think I’ve seen a less happy man, at least not someone who was as successful as he was in his prime… :[/quote]

You’ve got it all wrong… uh WINNING! lol

Seriously though, he had a good life, a lot of memorable times and he lived his life. I think that’s the important thing. A Satanist knows these things don’t last forever. I’m not saying Charlie is a Satanist but I think he’s smart enough to realize this…

That’s why I think these things can only be understood and shared with like minded people. When I started looking for this instead of trying to convert everyone, things in my love life improved dramatically.

Live in the now, enjoy sex when it can still be a pleasurable thing… That’s all I’m saying. Fucking complicating it makes it a miserable thing. I guess another thing I’m saying is that if someone truly loves you they’re not going to tell you that you can’t have or indulge in things that make you happy. Love is freedom imo, not someone’s idea of what you should be.

I think there’s always going to be a split between living in the moment, getting the maximum high from every waking second, and building for the future.

Sacrifice is about giving up one thing, to choose another - neither the hedonist nor the builder is exempt from making this choice, because to say Yes to one thing always means saying No to something else.

Both drives exist in each of us, as well - taken to extremes, they can lead to nihilism (what a hedonist embraces when nothing hits the spot any more) or stagnation, although luckily our world has been under attack for so long, we have a ways to go before worrying too much about that.

One problem with hedonism & extreme “individualistic” points of view is that they’re heavily reliant on outside fodder - the clothes, the cars, the drugs, the chicks, the stunned gasps of the “straight” world - this makes it a very vulnerable lifestyle, and one that’s entirely about consuming culture, not creating it.

It’s about being a black hole, revelling in your own consumption (of self, health, and goods), and I guess that has its place.

I understand both points of view, though thanks for implying that I don’t, because that made me laugh - both are entirely meaningless in “the Big Picture” because there IS no Big Picture, IMO there’s a balance to be walked that’s neither excessive nor repressive, and where we only sacrifice things to get something we definitely want far more.

And these days I lean slightly more towards looking to the future, and sacrificing for that, but it takes all sorts to make a world. :slight_smile:

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I think reaching this state is exactly what becoming a god is all about. Source devours, Gods devour, and Prey is devoured. So I don’t see a problem with being a black hole because from a vampire’s perspective it’s the highest form of existence.

Well in general metaphysics, Source aka the All creates, maintains, and destroys all forms, and holds all forms as thoughts within its mind, but I’m not here to pound my more maternal concepts into your head, because that would be bad manners, and like Hannibal Lecter, I find that distasteful.

Have fun watching the world burn! :slight_smile:

I know I’m a little late on the subject, but I needed to do quite a bit of soul searching before deciding to answer this. I am a vitki (Norse magician) working exclusively with the Norse Pantheon at the moment, though I’ve had workings with demons and angels galore in my career as sorceress. I am, also, conventionally married and have been for 16 years to a person who does share in my magickal journey or beliefs one iota.

Your observation of there not being a lot of information on black magick and marriage is correct. I think this is because an accomplished black magician knows the ‘truth’ about marriage (and no, it isn’t what the previous posters said) and is therefore a more advanced mystery with many, many layers of mystery added on top of that… (If you Google ‘heathen marriage rituals’ you will find a ton on how the modern Asatru and the ancient Teutons performed the marriage ceremony.)

You say you and your girlfriend want to get married in secret…does that mean you will not be letting anyone know you are married? Or that you are getting married by a governement official and then having your own black magick ritual? I’m just wondering, because the details are important in this.

The marriage ceremony is a ritual spell being cast, plain and simple. You are binding two entities together, and in most vows, you are doing so through all eternity under all circumstances. In fact, marriage is THE most powerful binding spell in the history of mankind. Here’s why: it is universally recognized by EVERYONE, in every time, in every culture, in ever venue. Even if a bigoted cattleprod doesn’t agree with what the marriage is, such as Harry and Larry getting married, the cattleprod still sees it as a marriage. The cattleprod treats how Harry and Larry live like any other conventionally married couple, that they do what married couples do, that they performed some sort of ceremony (spell) to become husband and husband. If I grab some strange man off the street, and we introduces ourselves as Mr. and Mrs. Strange-o, everyone we tell will believe us. That is how powerful this spell you are proposing to cast is…and that is just the ordinary spell that everyone who gets married casts. Not even going into the black magic part. (It is also one of the reasons why divorce is so heinous when it happens, people don’t realize they’re dealing with a binding spell at all, much less the most powerful one in existence).

That being said–let’s address your black magick marriage issue. Lady Eva has already alluded that if you are doing a semi-magickal ritual and calling your gods and goddesses as witnesses, that this may have some long term repercussions. I want to address this, because she’s referring to one of those layers of mystery that marriage is bound up in.

When you call down an entity, any entity, to witness an oath, you had better damn well intend to keep it. Make no bones about it, marriage is an oath–and the Norse gods are very particular about oaths. In a traditional heathen ceremony, Thor is called upon to hallow (make holy) the space, the ceremony, and the oath itself. So now, not only have you cast the most powerful binding spell there is, you have asked for the god of war, protection, hallowing, to make your binding spell (not you!) even more powerful. So, if, for example, you call upon Frigg and Odin as your witnesses (I’m just pulling them up because I don’t know how deeply you’ve gone into the Norse paradigm) as witnesses. You want a heathen ceremony, so you ask Thor to hallow things. You are asking them to make your spell that much more powerful. Not only that, you are including them in the binding spell, so it binds them to you, also, and you to them. This is all very powerful mojo.

Now that I’ve gone into the doom and gloom, I love my husband, I love being married to him, with him, and plan on being that way for the rest of our lives.

I hope that answered your question a little. There is so much that can be explored with that one little request, I don’t want to overwhelm you.

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I seriously doubt any priest or right handed magician would say it was an absurdity. I’ve never heard one say it. Priests are highly invested in marriage, as it is the way their religion is prepetuated, within a stable family unit that is passing down the layman knowledge that the church wants stuffed into you in order to forward it’s agenda. Just like any other institution.

As for being spiritually enslaving, making a pact with a demon could be described as spiritually enslaving. You are bound by a contract to do something, and depending on the demon you’ve made the contract with, if you don’t keep up your end of the bargain, your life might end up very ugly indeed.

Nevertheless, I think children must know their parents and be loved and supported by their parents.

Which is one of the main reasons that marriage remains a steadfast institution to this day.

Marriage is fucking hard work. I believe you will find that most people who are not happy in their marriages are not happy in their lives period. Because they don’t want to put in the work it takes. At the end of the day, it is much easier not to have to take someone else into account. I could eat what I want to eat, and decorate how I want to decorate, and parent how I want to parent. But in order to live happily with someone else, I have to take his likes and dislikes into account, just as he has to do mine. that takes effort. Some days, it takes a lot of effort. But, when the chips fall, I’ve got someone who has my back, and I have his. In fact, he’s got the better deal, because his back is covered by a demon-wielding sorceress! (Don’t ever tell him that, though, he’d die of a heart attack).

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Well in general metaphysics, Source aka the All creates, maintains, and destroys all forms, and holds all forms as thoughts within its mind, but I’m not here to pound my more maternal concepts into your head, because that would be bad manners, and like Hannibal Lecter, I find that distasteful.

Have fun watching the world burn! :)[/quote]

I forgot about that guy. The thing that the Law of Identity doesn’t apply to and it somehow exists?

Immortality isn’t for everyone :wink:

Marriage is fucking hard work. I believe you will find that most people who are not happy in their marriages are not happy in their lives period. Because they don’t want to put in the work it takes. At the end of the day, it is much easier not to have to take someone else into account. I could eat what I want to eat, and decorate how I want to decorate, and parent how I want to parent. But in order to live happily with someone else, I have to take his likes and dislikes into account, just as he has to do mine. that takes effort. Some days, it takes a lot of effort. But, when the chips fall, I’ve got someone who has my back, and I have his. In fact, he’s got the better deal, because his back is covered by a demon-wielding sorceress! (Don’t ever tell him that, though, he’d die of a heart attack).[/quote]

I would only qualify the above, having been married for 12 years, up until last year, that people change over the course of their lives, and many times that change isn’t parallel or in union with the wants, goals, and desires of your spouse. My ex-wife and I stopped wanting the same things. I took vows in the Roman Catholic tradition with her, and I no longer have affiliation with that religion in any way. I still feel I have a responsibility to ensure her well-being and she is prosperous in her own life, but I have no desire in any way to be married to her. I suppose one could say my continued moral obligation to ensure her well-being stems from my vows. Apart from that our lives and spiritual path are significantly different, and I will no longer pretend to be something I am not. Life is too short for that nonsense.

I completely agree, vonPfaff. People are not static, and even if they are started out on the same path, wanting the same things, they don’t always end up that way. The most humane thing for everyone is to part ways.

The fact that you still feel for her welfare shows how much work you put into that relationship. As you said, being a magician (and the fact that you are able to still feel that you want your ex-wife to have a good life and that she be taken care shows to your maturity in life, which probably translates to your magic as well), you probably want that because of the vows you took. When you cast that spell, you meant it. It is obvious through your post.

Thank you for your kind words. Interestingly our civil marriage contract did occur before our religious ceremony due to her immigrating from a different country. The Roman Catholic church refused to marry us in her country when our civil union occurred because we didn’t do the 9-day prep course. Ironically; (my opinion) afterwards, my father and his wife; who are very religious, conducted the prep course for us (My father being on his 2nd marriage and his wife on her 3rd). It seemed like a total farce to me, however I did find the rite of marriage ceremony powerful in a different way then the civil contract. I imagine just the very nature of conducting these ceremonies over thousands of years have added magickal power to the rite itself.

I would never marry in the church again, but would defiantly consider a left-hand path marriage rite perhaps in the future.