Magickal Seduction: Ritual 2 Rework/Extended Experiment DON'T DO THIS, DOESN'T WORK

Love, Sex Magick & Relationships
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Are you one of the many, like me, that did the second ritual from Magickal Seduction (to turn attraction into love in a specific target) and saw no results? Or worse: did you get the opposite results, as I did?

What I’m bringing to the table is an experiment/idea based on MS and other books (most by the Gallery of Magick), to see if results can be adjusted and polished further to increase the odds of getting the intended results.

This experiment is based on the following books:

  • Magickal Seduction, by Damon Brand (obviously)
  • 72 Angels of Magick, by Damon Brand
  • 84 Genies of Power, by Tristan Whitespire

Of course, I can’t publish all Words of Power and sigils here, so you will have to get the books. If you’re already familiar with them, this will be much easier.

Why the rework?

  1. Because I (and at least a few more here in the BALG forums) didn’t get the results I/we wanted.
  2. Because as I read about the Genies, I realized the spirit making the caster fall more in love than the target itself (which seems to be a common denominator) was not Haniel (who was mostly “blamed” for this particular side effect).
  3. Because the 72 Angels book provides a much more comprehensive way to tune in to angels, and most especially Raziel, which is another key factor in the equation.

So some might get the cake recipe right… but many don’t, so we need to do some extra polishing here because it can’t be that so many are getting no results… or even the opposite.

First things first: this is about ritual 2 from MS. This is NOT to generate attraction where there’s none. The author clearly states it’s to “turn attraction into love,” so the ideal targets for this will be FWB or casual flings that you’re sure you want a relationship with. Whatever the case is, attraction has to already be there.

Timing: start the 11-day ritual (yes, we’ll be keeping the 11 days) during a New or Waxing Moon (you can check Moon phases here ). Try NOT to start it too close to a Full Moon, because then most of the 11 days would be during a Waning Moon. Try to start it on the same day or a couple of days (at most) after a New Moon.

“But whyyyy?!” Because New/Waxing Moons are best for new beginnings and attracting things, situations, or people towards ourselves, while Full/Waning Moons are best for completions, cursing, and pushing things away.

Best days for day 1: Thursday (because of Raziel) or Friday (as with any love working). DON’T finish nor start it on a Saturday.

“But is this really necessary?” Well, it’s all about polishing and making adjustments. Everything counts. Quite a few seemingly minor details may end up making a big difference when combined.

Step 1: Connecting to Raziel

For this step, we’ll extend it based on the ritual opening from the 72 Angels book. Activate the talisman within yourself, light from dark, the calling, etc.

Do the whole opening as you would for any of the 72 Angels. When you get to the line “oh Raziel, let my voice be heard by the great angel…” you STOP. Say the Words of Power right before that, but don’t call any other spirits yet.

Also, use the method the 72 Angels book instructs when you name and call angels (Arzel, Raziel, and Haniel in this case): sing their names three times, and visualize the lightning striking you and connecting you to the divine/spirits/universe/however you want to call it.

TL;DR: read the chapters The Force of Connection, The Angel of Universal Secrets, Singing to Angels, and Preparing for Contact from the 72 Angels book, and replace the call to Arzel/Raziel from MS with that one.

Step 2: The Genies (Genies are not Djinn btw)

We’ll be replacing the Genies.

Switch back to Magickal Seduction. We already called to Raziel to make us heard by the secret angels of the Universe, so we should follow with the Genies, right?

Genies are key. You probably heard of everyone’s (myself included) success with the Magickal Cashbook, right? Well, that’s thanks to Nitika, a Genie. So Genies definitely are quite powerful and not to be taken lightly!

The original call is to Sisera and Jazar, but we’ll be changing them in this rework, based on the book 84 Genies of Power.

“But whyyyy?!” If you check the book, the author states Jazar is a love Genius that makes the caster fall hard for the target, and this has proven to be quite problematic: me, and several others, realized we grew obsessed with our targets, while the targets seemed only subtly affected (if at all). Sisera, on the other hand, is a Genius of desire… in general, not particularly of romantic desires.

So here are better options I found on the 84 Genies book:

  • Tukiphat and Causub can open others’ hearts and minds to the caster
  • Heiglot can make someone fascinated by the caster
  • Eisnuch can make the caster be appreciated and perceived as valuable by the target

Read carefuly about them in the book and pick two (or three, if you like, since the first two can be redundant). Replace Sisera and Jazar with the ones you picked (and their titles, such “Genius of…”).

Now, proceed to call the Genies you chose in the way it’s instructed in MS.

Step 3: Genies Continued (optional, overkill maybe)

Make the call to each of the Genies you chose (one by one, not all together), as the author of 84 Genies instructs (with their sigils, Words of Power, etc).

When you get to the point where you say “it is my will that you…” say “bring me the love and passion of X; send my love into his/her heart so that he/she returns my love” three times, and then “I command this in the names of…” (from MS) instead of giving them their license to depart (because the main ritual isn’t over yet).

This can be redundant, but I doubt giving a bit of extra, dedicated attention to each Genie can do any harm at all.

Step 4: Haniel

Complete the rest of the ritual (from MS), thank the spirits through feelings of gratitude and joy, assuming they’re already working on it for you, give each of them their license to depart, and you’re done!

Keep in mind the request to Haniel is to send your love into someone’s heart, so if you don’t feel genuine love (or if it’s only lust, or obsession, or desperation, or neediness), it will all be for nothing. If your target is romantically involved with others, you might want to get rid of the competition first.

If you want to figure out whether you actually love your target or it’s just lust or a crush, I suggest you try seeking guidance from Aladiah & Buer (The Magick of Angels & Demons, by Henry Archer) before even doing the ritual from MS.

Extras (optional)

These are just recommended complements to consider. They can help boost you and your magick in general, not only for this working.

If you do any (or all) of these, try to do them before the MS ritual, and wait for at least a day or two before doing another (my point being: don’t do several or all on the same day). You’ve got all the time in the world anyway.

Spirits that can help you boost your understanding and results in magick:

  • Hayiel, Hariel, and Netahiah (72 Angels of Magick, by Damon Brand)
  • Chaho and Eshal (72 Sigils of Power, by Zanna Blaise)
  • Nitibus and Kasphuia (84 Genies of Power, by Tristan Whitespire)
  • Phul (The Master Works of Chaos Magick, by Adam Blackthorne)
  • Hachashel and Netahel (Angelic Sigils, Keys, and Calls, by Ben Woodcroft)
  • Vine, Crocell, and Furcas (Demons of Magick, by Gordon Winterfield)

You can also ask the following spirits to inspire you with patience so you can control your lust for results:

  • Lahach (72 Sigils of Power, by Zanna Blaise)
  • Nememiah (72 Angels of Magick, by Damon Brand)
  • Achael, Omael, Nememel, Kavtziel, and Kevashiel (Angelic Sigils, Keys, and Calls, by Ben Woodcroft)
  • Haagenti and Murmus (Demons of Magick, by Gordon Winterfield)

Footnotes

When you decide to get started with the ritual, I’d highly recommend keeping all the spirit sigils and Raziel’s talisman nearby and on sight, and taking at least a couple of days writing down and polishing a script so you won’t have to go back and forth between books. Ideally, you can also take a week or two to work on some of the “extras” I mentioned, so when you actually begin the ritual, they will already be in effect and you ensure you won’t be doing the ritual in an impulsive and messy way out of desperation. The “extras” are sort of the “pre-heating the oven” phase. You can just turn it on and put the dough in right away, but if you ever baked anything, you know that’s not ideal.

This rework/extension is just an experiment! Personally, I have no one to try it on at the moment, but I’d like to see if people get better results with these tweaks.

I had results opposite to what I intended with the “vanilla” second ritual from MS, and I’ve found several similar experiences in this forum. I don’t want anyone else to feel the heartbreak I did, so what if this makes it work better for more people?

Please don’t forget to share your results and insights here if you try it!

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I’m all for magickal experimentation, but I’m guessing this is likely less to do with the published ritual’s effectiveness and more to do with the underlying emotional dynamics involved in you and the other person, or perhaps other situations going on in your life.

Every time love/seduction magick has not worked out for me (sometimes it has, sometimes it hasn’t), upon reflection it was a very good thing that it didn’t, and that’s not just me selling bullshit to myself. I like to use Tarot readings for clarity here, as well as magick for insight into the self, but sometimes you can’t really see what went on until after the fact and situations and your emotional state have played out a bit more.

That being said, I’ve had some very interesting experiences and learned very interesting things about magick by mixing systems and different kinds of spirits, so I’d say have at it. I’d just be wary of trying to dump massive amounts of energy onto a situation that really just needs the right kind of energy, or the right intention, so less a bazooka shotgun of rituals and more a precise application of well-chosen powers.

I get it though, sometimes you feel like just blasting, I’m just putting some stuff out there for you to gauge your intuition with.

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No, no, like I said, I’m not doing it myself because I don’t even have a target right now.

I’ve just been joining the dots as I read more and more books and had a sort of “A-HA” moment lol

Hopefully, this sort of rework/mashup could be useful to others.

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This is the content I like to see. :smiley: Big fan of experiments and fine-tuning. Good write-up.

Also I might add to readers, if you are a woman casting this ritual and it’s convenient timing-wise, the moon phases could potentially be subbed out with one’s own menstrual cycle (where menses = new or early waxing moon equivalent). I’ve experimented with this and it seems to have similar energy to using moon phases for creative/destructive purposes. No idea if hormonal BC affects it though.

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What about using the jinns also for the first ritual?
Or what about dressing the candles or the paper with the name with some hoodoo oil or similar?

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I never worked with Djinns.

I guess oils could be a subtle add-on!

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These spirits are not Djinn but are Elemental spirits also known as Salomanders and some other types but not a Djinn. Djinn though are classed as fire spirits also but more of a smokeless fire whereas these spirits are just of the element of fire to what I know and have learned.

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I find this ritual interesting as the original from Black Pullet shows the symbols of the magickal ring as a ring you put on your finger and then a talisman you have to use but nothing about moon phases, days etc. The rosey light parts in there and the veil of light etc. But I have been dissecting the black pullet and think its a complete system kind of hidden within it from start to finish and each element builds up your magickal system from circles, protection, guides, spirits, talismans, rings, spells etc. If you need the prior works for this to be amplified would be interesting to find out.

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I have it with me here and cannot see where it says genies can you put the paragraph up?

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Genies and Djinn are not the same

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Ah yes genies from the 11 day ritual. Genies are personified values or aspects of the mind I believe or angelic etc and are not a typical spirit of sorts. Bit obscure but no link to a Djinn. Known as genius spirits, if they are spirits is anyone’s guess.

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Sorry i confused the terms… i meant to use genies for the 5 days ritual.
I could use esoteric astrological oil of the target or hoodoo dominion/control oil. Suggestion?

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It won’t hurt. Every little bit helps.

If you’re into astrology, check your (and your target’s) transits, and if the current time and setting is right.

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Take a look at the black pullet where this all comes from, well the attraction ones nonetheless. Its more or less a complete magickal system in a story format, very intriguing book. I am going to write a post on it soon on my dissection of that book as I dont believe some of the talismans are to be drawn as is but are an example of what you should be doing as a diagram as sorts, especially evocation circles. Now if the beginning rituals of that system help this one gain more power is anyones guess. But may be worth a try. Its all down to your belief just believe its good enough and work. I apply law of attraction principles myself also so I dont lust for results and forget the magick but I picture being with the person in my life every so often and know its done. I visualize them in my current situations to align my brain with the principles at hand. Just dont think of the magick part or doubt it at all and if you do just do something else to forget. Try the oils if you like and incense even. I used love incense on mine, orange candles as I had no red and first imbued my energy, that of the target and ritual outcome into them first awakening the inner energy of the candles. Then set some Xrated playing card decks around to get easily into the arousal part of the ritual. Visualization and knowing is the key part. Once I start seeing my candles flicker on calling the spirit names I know to continue.

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Quick question in some europe books genies are angels,in USA are similar to dijijns, ? Or similar? Salamanders are elements of fire water etc ,I’m confused here,

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I agree with the way this other user defined Genies:

It’s a similar concept to Tristan Whitespire’s in the 84 Genies of Power book. The author explains their nature more extensively in the book, and it makes sense.

If you read Magickal Protection by Damon Brand, and then you read the 84 Genies book, you’ll immediately find some familiar names in the master protection ritual, where several Genius are called.

Same thing regarding Nitika in the Magickal Cashbook, she’s a Genius.

In any case, Genius are not Djinn, and they’re not related to each other in any way. They’re neither Angels nor Demons either.

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I started the first ritual but only did 2 day. It said 5.
It’s difficult to create lustful emotions for 5 days in a row.

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Do you have any pictures of target? the masturbation is the key part for building that lust but you can go without it to. Use a picture or get pornographic pictures and look at those at first then do ritual once aroused and apply it to your target in visualization :wink: works a treat.

Oh and dont hold back, go through all your seedy erotic desires with them to add extra umph.

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Will my work be waisted since i stopped for 1 day?
Any particular reason for it being 5 days in a row?
Also this month Venus is exiled. Probably not a good moment for those rituals.

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If the author says it must be done for X days, try to follow it to the letter.

If, for whatever reason, you can’t or don’t want to, then don’t do it and look for another ritual you find more suitable.

As with any other rituals, you can’t change colors, ingredients or days and expect the intended results as stated by the authors.

Anyway, this thread is not about the first ritual from Magickal Seduction. It’s about a rework of the second ritual.