Exactly, although i wouldn’t label it as mundane, because to me mundane is something that doesn’t work by definition.
It’s the observable work that compliments the magickal intention. That type of work has to be empowering and satisfying (non-mundane), otherwise it’s not sustainable. In that regard, magick comes into play as well, you use magick to condition yourself to withstand and enjoy what is in most cases a 24/7 process.
Ask any entrepreneur if they like their work and they’ll say “work? what work? I don’t work”.
It’s just a matter of semantics. Mundane as in nonmagickal. The day to day stuff in the workaday world. Reaching out to clients, business meetings, etc. The “real world” things you do that allow the magick to flow through.
chef1964- I am not naive any longer about one spell bringing a large (or continual) amount of wealth. That view of magick is “Harry Potter Shit”.
What I would like to see is this:
A comparison between two “positive thinking” individuals. Both being equal in intellect and business savy, etc. One is the run of the mill “Tony Robins” type. Another is also a “Tony Robins” type but also is a black magician that regularly uses demonic evocations to produce more wealth in his life. I’d like to see a side by side comparison of their results. If they are roughly the same, I would have to conclude that, for me, it would be a waste of time using magick to try to increase wealth. I would also settle for the “two people” actually being the same person at different stages in their life.
But in reference to me, here is what would make it a worthwhile use of my time: Let’s say I have a basic desire to have a mostly internet based business where I basically re-sell items that I have purchased at auctions, etc. But let’s say there are two obstacles: The first is that I am having trouble getting a license to do that because it requires me to have a place of business in a space that is not actually my home (i.e., a “store” or storage area located in a commercial area). Let’s say the second problem is that I am having trouble finding places (such as auction houses) that sell cheap items that people want to buy from me.
So I perform two evocations. The first is to help with the legalities portion of the business. If the demon basically tells me “Do things right. Go onto the government website and follow the proper steps to having a legitimate, above board business”, that is clearly worthless to me. My goal is NOT to have to follow the rules and yet remain undetected. That would be the whole point of the evocation. Why the fuck would I go onto that website; most likely I’ve already done that. Now, if the demon says, “Go to X Lawyer. He has helped people find loopholes through this. On top of that, he knows some shady people in business that will turn a blind eye. There is one guy who may give you problem, but I will kill him in a car accident tomorrow.” Now that would be worth my time.
So I then do a second evocation for the other issue. If the demon were to say, “Get on the internet and do some research”, that would clearly not worth my time. But if he says, “Go down to Costco. There is a Mexican guy that works for an auction house that specializes in near new power tools that have been seized from bankruptcy estates. He lets them go for pennies on the dollar. Also, I will make sure he is willing to be shady and turn a blind eye to the fact that you don’t have an actual place of business.” That would clearly be worth my time.
I would be OK having to rituals everyday for those sorts of accomplishments.
I think the first thing you need to understand is that “positive thinking” IS magick. One could even say it’s the most basic form of magick. You’re setting an intention, you’re giving it power through your will and the mindset that you already have your outcome, and you’re putting belief into it. That’s magick.
As far as a Demon’s advice not being worth your time because it’s not what you want to hear, I really don’t know what to tell you. I mean, if King Paimon tells you “do this, it’ll give you what you desire”, I would think he knows what he’s talking about, and I would assume my ideas on the subject are flawed. If you then choose to ignore it, why call on him in the first place? As far as wanting a shady business, save all of the money you make. You’ll need it for lawyers and back taxes. The IRS always finds out. I know a couple of people who can testify to that.
Not trying to be critical, or sound like I’m bashing you, but for as long as you’ve been here, you’ve been wanting magick to prove itself to you, rather than proving to yourself that it works.
I had some success using the law of attraction. I need to get back to it. It did prove itself to me because of my faith at the time. I’m just going through a very angry and frustrated time because I hate my job.
And for the record, my examples were hypothetical to illustrate my point. Yes, the IRS always wins. Demons aren’t able to overcome that. As EA says, you must work within reality.
That sounds like a good plan. Lay out your long term goal in a series of small steps, and work on them in order. I understand what it’s like to hate your job. I’ve been there. It makes you miserable and fills you with despair.
The conscious “black magickian Tony Robbins” will do much better than just “Tony Robbins”. In that regard and as a matter of fact many successful entrepreneurs are closet black magickians. To a point I am too, not because I give a shit but rather for the sole reason that most followers/customers/clients have a wrong impression of black magick. Coming out of the closet would be counterproductive, a waste of time, energy and it’ll will hurt revenues significantly.
To me that sounds nonsensical. An incorporated online business can run from anywhere, even your home address. You just have to set up a place in your home as office space and list the business there. You can claim operational costs and additional tax deductions if you do that, for example a percentage of your rent/mortgage, bills etc.
If your business is handling dangerous goods or goods that need a special license, you outsource your warehousing to places that hold the proper licenses. In any case you’ll be far better off in all accounts if you handle product through fulfillment centers. Unless you want to distribute nuclear waste, you won’t have any issue finding such places.
As for the auction places to source goods from. Have you looked in business listings? been to any auction places? Have you met other buyers? If you haven’t, look them up, go and observe. What people are buying, who is buying and when, talk to people, network. Pick up a loose end and follow the trail. A visit to any auction place can provide good leads.
Employ a rep to do this work for you at the end of the day. Outsourcing tasks is crucial.
Entrepreneurs work “on the business” not “in the business”, so that means finding ways to remove yourself from operations and concentrate on scaling.
I’m probably going on tantrums here and these things possibly sound irrelevant to you right now because you’re in the “bullshit phase”, you’re anxious to drop a job you hate and want a quick fix.
But there’s no quick fix, you have to understand this if you want to make your life better.
You form a definite plan and you start, taking a step at a time.
Each plan starts with an end goal. You take that end goal and work backwards breaking it down to form small workable pieces. You then work on each piece at a time, to completion.
The demons are there to help you work with the plan and keep you on the path that is determined by the goal. They will bring everything inline with the goal and present the right opportunities. Even if in many cases it’ll seem as if the opposite is happening and you’re veering off.
Believe and everything will fall into place.
Read the post I made not too long ago in regards to Paimon helping with a serious legal issue, and tell me if spirits are able to bend reality to your benefit or not. Working within a reality governed by rules and physical laws doesn’t necessarily means that these rules and laws cannot be bend.
Positive thinking comes from the New Thought movement, which is the same concept as the ideas described in the Kybalion - that the world exists AS a mind, of some kind, and we’re thoughts within that mind.
If you’ve never read the Kybalion before, and sorry I can’t recall if you did, now would be a really good time, or, at least, read the cheatsheet posted on another forum, here.
Positive thinking becomes magick the moment the author hints that not only does it make you feel better, and therefore have more energy and enthusiasm, but it also affects the way the universe responds to you.
Anyone can accept that a good attitude creates a brighter outlook, that you take more chances (and so have more opportunities to succeed) - that positive people have a more likeable personality, so they have more allies and friends, and are more likely to be offered opportunities, etc.
But once you make statements like “Most people have no idea of the giant capacity we can immediately command when we focus all of our resources on mastering a single area of our lives” - which hints at the idea the power of our minds extends beyond our skulls - then that’s magick, or this, which is more blatant:
“I promise to always be true to myself
because I am the creator and master of my universe
and I am responsible for making a positive difference in the world
and to the quality of life in it.”
These ideas = the concepts in the Kybalion = the idea of being the God of your own creation.
And note that pretty much all LoA teachers say that people are all, already, unwittingly co-creating their own reality - the art lies in finding the set of attitudes and adjusting expectations so that a better reality is consciously created.
That’s why they mainly focus on practicalities, like Nap. Hill’s “Develop a pleadsing personaity” - because doing this attunes someone away from bitterness, despair, and resentment, all of which co-create circumstances to deliver more of the same.
The LoA is a very dark and utterly merciless concept, when you take a good hard look at it, and totally in line with all LHP ideas.
I noticed that magicked brings you the opportunities and the chances to make money. I worked with Belial for bringing me a well paid job, that is exactly what I asked that was exactly what I got: a job offer that would have paid me 8000 a month. I never made so much money. So it was up to me to “work” the opportunity. Unfortunately for me because of my low self esteem I had at that time and emotional and psychological abuse I endured from so called husband that lowered the trust in myself I considered myself not able to do the job and I let it go.
Then I asked Belial again for a good paid job and he brought me again another 2 offers in a different field, and I had the same issue I considered myself not trained enough for the job and I let them go…
I swear, Belial is a great guy, he is really helpful.
All the jobs just came out of nowhere I did not apply for them I did not search for them.
So I want to say that magick will open the chance, will give you the opportunity to make money, I don’t think magick will drop a bag of money in your lap just like that. It is up to you to take the chance or not. I am even embarrassed now to ask him again for another job, because he brought me what I asked and I didn’t take it.
[quote=“Sabina, post:31, topic:7988”]I noticed that magicked brings you the opportunities and the chances to make money. I worked with Belial for bringing me a well paid job, that is exactly what I asked that was exactly what I got: a job offer that would have paid me 8000 a month. I never made so much money. So it was up to me to “work” the opportunity. Unfortunately for me because of my low self esteem I had at that time and emotional and psychological abuse I endured from so called husband that lowered the trust in myself I considered myself not able to do the job and I let it go.
Then I asked Belial again for a good paid job and he brought me again another 2 offers in a different field, and I had the same issue I considered myself not trained enough for the job and I let them go…
I swear, Belial is a great guy, he is really helpful.
All the jobs just came out of nowhere I did not apply for them I did not search for them.
So I want to say that magick will open the chance, will give you the opportunity to make money, I don’t think magick will drop a bag of money in your lap just like that. It is up to you to take the chance or not. I am even embarrassed now to ask him again for another job, because he brought me what I asked and I didn’t take it.
Out of Curiousity, what type of job makes you 8000? You must have a really good degree or skillset. I think it matters a little to know what your working with to do magick. But 8000? Had me curious.
The 8000 was in healthcare the other 2 were in It. Yes I have qualifications, but I lack trust in myself I always doubt myself that I can do the job, as a result of several years of abuse I went trough. I am working on repairing that but is pretty hard is a constant fight with myself.
[quote=“Biosynth, post:32, topic:7988”][quote=“Sabina, post:31, topic:7988”]I noticed that magicked brings you the opportunities and the chances to make money. I worked with Belial for bringing me a well paid job, that is exactly what I asked that was exactly what I got: a job offer that would have paid me 8000 a month. I never made so much money. So it was up to me to “work” the opportunity. Unfortunately for me because of my low self esteem I had at that time and emotional and psychological abuse I endured from so called husband that lowered the trust in myself I considered myself not able to do the job and I let it go.
Then I asked Belial again for a good paid job and he brought me again another 2 offers in a different field, and I had the same issue I considered myself not trained enough for the job and I let them go…
I swear, Belial is a great guy, he is really helpful.
All the jobs just came out of nowhere I did not apply for them I did not search for them.
So I want to say that magick will open the chance, will give you the opportunity to make money, I don’t think magick will drop a bag of money in your lap just like that. It is up to you to take the chance or not. I am even embarrassed now to ask him again for another job, because he brought me what I asked and I didn’t take it.
Out of Curiousity, what type of job makes you 8000? You must have a really good degree or skillset. I think it matters a little to know what your working with to do magick. But 8000? Had me curious.[/quote]
[quote=“Sabina, post:31, topic:7988”]I noticed that magicked brings you the opportunities and the chances to make money. I worked with Belial for bringing me a well paid job, that is exactly what I asked that was exactly what I got: a job offer that would have paid me 8000 a month. I never made so much money. So it was up to me to “work” the opportunity. Unfortunately for me because of my low self esteem I had at that time and emotional and psychological abuse I endured from so called husband that lowered the trust in myself I considered myself not able to do the job and I let it go.
Then I asked Belial again for a good paid job and he brought me again another 2 offers in a different field, and I had the same issue I considered myself not trained enough for the job and I let them go…
I swear, Belial is a great guy, he is really helpful.
All the jobs just came out of nowhere I did not apply for them I did not search for them.
So I want to say that magick will open the chance, will give you the opportunity to make money, I don’t think magick will drop a bag of money in your lap just like that. It is up to you to take the chance or not. I am even embarrassed now to ask him again for another job, because he brought me what I asked and I didn’t take it.
Actually not true. Magick can bring money to you as in drop in your lap. I once had a well off guy offer me money out of charity for whatever reason went on in his head, but I turned it down due to pride and just had a friendly conversation with him.
Sabina. Trust in ourselves is build progressively and after we step outside of our comfort zones (limiting beliefs). The first step is to identify and become aware of these comfort zones.
The subconscious mind has a way to keep limiting beliefs hidden under a veil of fear which appears rational. Most people would call this a self-protection mechanism.
The truth is that the only rational fear stems from our primal survival instinct, which is there to protect us from physical harm, to keep us alive. Any other fear is well and truly irrational. Fake.
This is how we can identify limiting beliefs, by questioning fear. Once we become aware then we must take leaps of faith moving forward. Small leaps, big leaps it doesn’t matter as long as we take them anyways. Overcome fear and limiting beliefs will become obsolete.
A mentor of mine used to say “say yes to all challenges, figure out how you’ll overcome them afterwards”. It took me a few years to understand the importance of that statement. Eventually I came to realize that NO brings nothing but misery and stagnation, YES brings growth and achievements.
YES is exactly that leap of faith that once taken it’ll push us forward and closer to success.
And again, as I always use to say in my comments, use magick on yourself first to become powerful, not in a way of shooting lightning bolts from the ass and turn all foes to ash with a flick of the wrist, but rather to take absolute control of the self, to unleash the unlimited capacity of changing our reality from within.
If you are thorough with ritual, non- haughty in outlook, and respect the spirits, material gain is close to definite. Just through fetish and candle magick, I got an extreme discount rate for an apartment in a posh neighborhood, and on top of that, I qualified for the US’s section 8 housing voucher. Poor as shit, going socialistic as far as it goes with the US government.
Hey Everyone: Thanks for all of your responses. It has reinvigorated me for magick (like I said, I’m burned out as fuck on life due to my outdoor/construction job even though I’m in great shape for someone my age). I have to sift through all of these responses to determine what i need to do.
“Magickal is a problem word” , quote from Ramsey Dukes, meaning in our culture magick is seen as some sort of a quick fix, just wave your wand and make magickal wonders. We know this is not true. Magick is W O R K. It’s a system, it needs work, dedication and completion. What changed everything for me is when I began to practice my magick every day. No matter how small, just do it. Find something that suits you, a path, a system, and WORK it.
To keep this comment short, I will give you a few examples how it works for me: I don’t have a job, I study fulltime and I live a very comfortable life. My prosperity maagick works very well and I do it every day. Money comes to our household through a business that my husband owns. He even said that he can’t believe how many people come to him to hire his services. I get some unexpected money (like tax returns, gifts), but the obvious channel for money is his business. That also tought me that money will come usually through obvious, already established ways (in my case, it manifests in our mundane life through my husbands business because it’s the easiest way to flow to me, as a magician). I’m a witch, so I do a lot of sympathetic magick, evocations don’t work well for me. We are all different, as long as you find what works for you, that is all that matters. But, you gotta do it! I wish you a life of prosperity and good health.
I have gained a ton of good info from all of your responses. Thanks. At some point soon I will write a response to most of your comments. For now, I will just say this: I DO believe in magick. It is just that I am so discontent in my life right now (mainly in terms of my job), that I revert back to negativity and doubt/lack of faith.