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not sure if i can do visual magick, im like so sure i have aphantasia, im unable to dream, im unable to visualize, and i fit most of the “symptoms”. Im not diagnosed by a doctor but the shoe fits. So i was wondering if therr was anyway I could practice my ability to feel, hear, and i guess talk to them rather than work on seeing them. Also wondering if I should still advance with the mastering evocation course although its heavily visual based, from my knowledge. E.A wants me to learn to scry and structure and im just unable to develop those i feel like, i tried stuff and dont really wanna spend more time on practicing those if it feels like its goin nowhere. I still want to practice magick, just excluding the visual part. Ive heard people say they cant see the spirits but heavily feel and hear them.

I understand I havent been practicing magick for a long time but I genuienly have made 0 progress in the past 2 months but running circles, i’m just looking to increase those senses to make any spirit contact. But let me know if its possible I skip the scrying/structuring part.

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There is no easy path to spirit interaction. 2 months is not a lot of practice. You seem to have gone in with perhaps unrealistic expectations as to what would happen but you have really only barely started. The psychic senses are dormant in most people so it can take time to build them up to the point where you can make legitimate spirit contact. In the ancient schools you would spend an entire year on learning nothing but the foundational principles of magick and a banishing ritual before you would even be initiated and begin magical training proper.

In all your rushing about trying out different things, have you done any energy work? Robert Bruce’s stuff uses what he called tactile imaging to move energy so if you think you can’t visualize, that might help as the focus is more on sensation and feeling than visuals.

Also, yes, you should continue with the evocation course. Just because you can’t see or hear the spirit yet doesn’t mean it’s not there when you call so I would continue. Spend some extra time working with Sastan, Paralda and Mepsitahl to develop your senses. Practice your theta/gamma sync until it becomes second nature and you can get in and out of trance at will. Build your foundations solidly.

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i guess it does feel like im rushing it, I’m just trying really hard to get out of the situation im in rn. I‘m not looking for an easy path, i’m looking for a path that’ll work for me, im trying hard to get out of where im at. But yeah ig ur right. Im just confused and lost I think, I hate working for nothing yk? It felt like I was working for nothing. I guess the way im coded, I like a set path of doing things, like a guided path, not really freestyling till i get it.

I found this robert bruce book “Energy Work: The Secrets of Healing and Spiritual Growth” Wasnt able to get a peak but i wonder if this is the tactile imaging you talk about, as for the tgs practice, how should I do that? Just gaze at the wall until the static rain appears?

Im trying to formulate a long term plan to develop my senses, and to come back here every month to update you guys and try to refrain from opening this forum so i dont lose my path or start confusing myself.

Could you help me formulate this plan? I think Im gonna read over the energy work book of robert bruce, then once im familiar with the instructions to those meditations, to then open the sigil of Sastan, Mespitahl, and Paralda to assist me when I do the exercises to develop my senses, Then I meditate/ do the energy work practices stated in the energy work robert bruce book, practice tgs, then move on with my day and to do that daily.

Are these the foundations that must be built?

Also how should I practice TGS, I used that search button but they dont really say much.

Once I get this plan down ill be done bothering you guys with my impatience and will commit to this.

cus tbh ur so fucking right, how can I talk to spirits if I dont even know the foundations, its like trying to learn calculus without foundational algebra, ill just end up confusing myself and making it harder.

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Yes, that’s exactly what I was talking about. If you follow the exercises in that book at least a little bit each day, maybe 5-10 minutes in the morning and again before bed, your energy will begin to flow, you’ll develop a greater awareness of it, and your more subtle senses will start to unlock. The first sign things are progressing will be an increase in intuition.

Yes, and try to remain in that altered state as long as you can. In the beginning, the smallest external distraction will likely pop you out of it, but with practice of at least once a day, you’ll be able to stay there longer and longer. Eventually, you will reach the Crossroads state, also called the Rapture, when the Gamma brainwaves start to spike. That’s when you will likely start to hear voices around you. It’s similar to the hypnogogic state that you enter when falling asleep and when waking up but deeper. Don’t be surprised if you hear the voices talking about you and commenting on what you’re doing. When you begin magick, you start to light up on the subtle planes and you will attract attention. These voices might belong to your personal guides, spirits that are interested in what you’re doing, or just random passersby who got curious.

Meditation, concentration, trance, and energy work are the foundational skills of every magician.

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ok i have the energy work down, i have this one guided meditation i found i can send if u want or ill use the energy work meditations, trancework i got down, now how do you work on your concentration, i have undiagnosed adhd but i found out when i took my friends adderall to get high and the adderall started doing what its supposed to lol so i get side tracked easily.

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Hold an image or a sound in your mind without deviation for a set amount of time. Start with 2 minutes and add a minute every day until you reach30 mins. This is the secret to the power of mantras and words of power. Allow the sound to echo inside your head. You’ll know when you’ve mastered concentration when the sound begins to echo on its own, even in sleep.

Meditation is the ability to clear your mind and focus on a single point. It leads into the practice of concentration. You don’t want to think about what’s for dinner in the middle of evocation so you need to be able to clear you mind of everything except what is at hand.

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so imagine the sound, like for example, imagine the number 5 being echoed in my head and see how long i can do this without any thoughts interrupting?

Okay, so i should meditate, then energy work, then practice concentration, then get into tgs and when i snap out of it, move on with my day? or should i keep going back into tgs

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No, the number 5 is not a sound. Try imagining the ticking of a clock or the ringing of a bell. I personally like to visualize a pendulum swinging, and with every swing there is the echo of a small tick tock, like you would hear from a grandfather clock. Whatever sound you choose, try to only hear it for as long as you can. When thoughts come up, and they will, just push them aside and listen to the sound. You’ll probably have to start and stop many times but that is the whole point. You are training your mind.

You can also train concentration by gazing at a candle flame. This is a meditation technique known as trataka. Be careful though because it can strain the eyes. Sit about a foot from the flame and stare into it without blinking. Aim for thirty seconds and slowly increase it. This can be good practice for both sigil gazing and candle spells. EA Koetting’s Blue Flame meditation is a variation of this.

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For about six months, I was doing daily Qi energy exercises for 5 to 10 minutes. Then, I stopped for six months and did zero exercises to test if the Qi energy sensations would just disappear.

However, I would say in my case the results are permanent. I mean, once you master the practice, you have the option to do a daily exercise or just skip it.

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alright cool,

so ill open the sigils of sastan and mespitahl(i already have them activated) to assist me as i sharpen my senses, ill meditate first(with guided meditations or meditations from robert bruce book), then do robert bruces energy work(with methods from the book), concentration practice with the method you just provided(might alternate methods), then finally tgs.

maybe i should meditate before opening the sigil? maybe

how does the plan above sound so far?

I put tgs last because i feel like the concentration and energy work will highten or sharpen my senses for tgs.

im gonna do a full read through of the book, then I hope to finish the book within a week or 2 so around december 15ish, then ill go mia for a month and update yall jan 15 then feb 15 and soforth. But within this 2 week period im gonna gather as much info as I can for my plan. Probably in the mornings ill do this, as thats the only time ill be able to get peace and quiet, so ill have to alter my sleep schedule

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Sounds good’

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Be careful of biting off more than you can chew. You don’t want to overtax yourself, but it should be doable if you have the time to do everything in one sitting.

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The Causes and Price of Progress

Hi there! :blush:
Having studied Buddhism in the past, I realized that the most important thing is the foundation. You can spend weeks, months, and years on, for example, concentration meditation. Or teaching yourself correct thinking.

I’ve only been practicing magic for a couple of months, and I’ve made tremendous progress! I clearly sense spirits during summonings, I have sex with a spirit… probably a parasite :sob:… I receive visions, as if thoughts and images appear in my head over my own.

I even feel like I’ve made huge progress in astral projection, even though I’ve only practiced it maybe less than 10 times in total. How? Well, first I tried it myself, and then I called on the spirits to help me. Each time, the sensation of “weightlessness” in my limbs became increasingly clear, as if I were being “pulled” upward. The last time, I even felt as if I was moving my arms and feeling my bed, but my arms were physically immobile, and the sensations in my physical body sometimes disappeared entirely, as if my legs were hanging weightlessly.

Overall, progress on all fronts. It sounds great, cool, maybe even you’ll start to be jealous that I’ve made such progress in just a couple of months, but…

Firstly, before I started practicing magic, I studied Buddhism, practiced meditation for years, and delved deeper into my understanding of its philosophy and the structure of the world. I trained concentration, awareness, introspection, learned to concentrate on the sensations in my body while breathing, and so on.

My twin brother is a psychologist, and although I haven’t mentioned it, he helped me write posts here on psychological topics, explaining this and that from a “scientific” perspective. He taught me a bunch of psychological exercises that helped me structure my thinking.

I also grew up in a Christian family, studied Christianity at university as one of the subjects in our country, and developed my understanding of spirits and God through religion.

I also tried all sorts of visualization techniques, relaxation, and yoga.

What I’m trying to say is that despite the enormous progress I’ve made in magick, it was preceded by years, a lifetime of other practices that I didn’t associate with magick, but which are connected to it.

Do you think that’s all I wanted to say? No. Progress has a price, and my price is a bunch of mistakes. A sexual parasite, or even several, obsessive thoughts and desires, almost an obsession with lust, regardless of the presence of sexual arousal and my physical condition. My life and work are going down the drain, and my productivity is plummeting. I only have energy for sex and sexy spirit, and everything else feels “too hard.” Yesterday, I couldn’t even concentrate on writing a message, don’t mention work…

And now, to sort out all the crap in my life, I have to… do more exercise. There’s no easy way out. You can’t, for example, summon a spirit, ask for a happy life, and enjoy it. You’ll have to work for it.
In Buddhism, there’s a term called “karma.” Karma is the universal law of cause and effect. Simply put, everything has a cause and a consequence. If you do something, it will have consequences. If you want progress in magic, good studies, a successful musical career… you need to take actions that lead to this.
And sometimes these actions mean weeks of boring, monotonous workouts. Choose one or two exercises that will help you develop what you need, and repeat them over and over again until you get good at it.

Alternatively, you can contact the spirit. Write a petition, expressing your respect for the spirit and asking for its help in solving life’s problems. You don’t need to feel or hear it; you need to build a relationship with it. Maybe try praying to him just to tell him how you’re doing, about your plans. Thank him, express your respect, make offerings. And ask him for something when you need it.
I’m not an expert on matters involving demons, gods, and etiquette, but I’m guided by how it’s done in Christianity.

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@arom please repost without using all-capitals, meaning in normal sentence case. .

This is a civil discussion forum there’s no need to “shout”, which is how typing in all caps comes across.

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unfortunately i dont have yellow silk or parrot blood

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hmm alright, i mesn meditation is about 15 minutes 5ish minutes tonopen the sigil probably 10ish minutes for energy work and 5ish minutes for tgs.

so about 35-45 mins each morning, ill probably remove concentration for now maybe.

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its really all about foundation, no foundation = no magick, even though i can barely feel sastan and mespitahl, and paralda, I know they will watch over me as i practice developing my psychic sense. But 100% dont expect a demon to just telepathically send some lyrics and instantly become a #1 artist with a billion streams. But I do expect these magickal practices to get me more in touch with my inner self and feel more inner connectedness because thats what makes music, music, uniqueness combined with skill.

But thank you! You made progress because you had the foundation, i never meditated a day in my life, so im not jealous but, its proof to me that foundation matters ALOT. It will take pain, but the second i see the slightest bit of progress, itll kick start it for me.

Lol idk why im like that lol, ill suddenly apply my 100% self if progress is visible. But for this, i’ll have discipline and commitment, ill break out of my little shell lol.

Soo im ready to, study the demons whos sigils im

opening, the meditations, the tgs, and energy work, so i can grasp how it works then apply it.

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@arom Thank you for attempting to help, I realize you mean well, but please post in English, per the rules.

It’s not really helpful to post random pages from books (or videos) without explaining, translating or giving your experience with such workings. If you are posting a working you have no personal experience in, then let us know why you vouch for it. Otherwise tell us your results.

^ THIS.
This is a discussion forum for real magick, so please post things that are realistic and doable legally.

A recipe for something with “parrot’s blood” is honestly not going to be used by anyone here any time soon.
Killing a pet parrot from a pet store is ILLEGAL in the US and Europe where most of our members come from and would be the only way to obtain this.

As it’s against the rules to discuss illegal activity I have removed the post as off topic and inciting illegality.

If the working contains ingredients or tools difficult to obtain except in specific areas or countries, then say if it can be substituted.

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You right now are exactly like me three years ago.
Just go back to the foundation: meditation, LBRP, Middle Pillar ritual, energy work… The most important thing is to open your astral senses.

Newbies fail in magick operations because they have no foundation. Yes, some people are naturally gifted; the very first ritual they do already gives them instant results (but that’s true for everything else too — math, physics, sports, etc.).

Don’t give up on magick too soon. It came to you for a reason — it’s karma, it’s your destiny. This phase you’re in right now is the testing phase (the first 3 years, according to my own experience). If you can get through it, everything in the future will become much easier. If you fail, you’ll just go back to square one, but even more bitter and disillusioned than before.

I myself, over these past 3 years, have had moments when I doubted magick completely — but that’s a normal process everyone has to go through. I can see you want to jump straight into evocation way too early without a solid foundation. You have to train first before you can “see/feel” anything. Evocation is advanced-level stuff.

Start with the simple books first.

I recommend starting with Success Magick by Gallery of Magick (GOM) to fully open all your astral senses. The rituals are long, but totally worth it. After that, begin invocation with books like 72 Angels of Magick or 72 Demons of Magick from the same GOM group.

Read a lot more books. Most newbies make the mistake of not reading enough. The issue of “doing evocation but feeling nothing” has already been addressed in Jason Miller’s Conjuring Spirits — you should read that book to destroy a lot of myths. When it comes to evocation, the point is NOT whether you can see the spirit or not; the point is the tangible results they bring. That’s what really matters. There are tons of people who can see spirits clearly but still get zero real-world results.

In short: train the foundation first. Here are the books I recommend:

  1. Initiation into Hermetics – Franz Bardon
  2. High Magick – Damien Echols (super simple)
  3. The Middle Pillar – Israel Regardie (do every single exercise in the book). The Middle Pillar exercise is crucial for opening astral senses.
  4. If you want faster results, just buy Success Magick (GOM)
  5. Sigils of Transformation (also GOM) – extremely simple and effective
  6. The Elements of Spellcrafting – Jason Miller (to understand how magick actually works in the real world)
  7. The entire Raizel: Path of Power series by Jareth Tempest – extremely simple and practical

Finally: magick only works at about 70% maximum efficiency. Don’t become overly dependent on it. Not every operation succeeds because there are too many interfering factors (for example, your natal chart in this lifetime or the place you’re living may have heavy blocking energies). Most newbies fail because they don’t understand how magick actually operates in real life.

And please, fread ALL of Neville Goddard’s books.

Magick is a lifelong training process. It’s not like you just cast a spell or do a ritual and instantly get whatever you want.

If you have any questions, want more book recommendations, anything — just ask me.

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so should I follow my energy work practice plan or does these books hold more for me