A friend of mine and I were having a discussion. He asked me, Is Poverty a sin? He said, Yes. I said no.
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Iād suggest remaining stupid and not learning is a sin but seems to be rewarded by society as some kind of virtue.
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What constitutes sin?
Surely not something that may not be in your control such as poverty or homosexuality?
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Some people who believe in Karma believe that you pay for what you did in your past life. So if in your past life, you were cruel, you might become Poor in this one as a Result of Karma.
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Whatās the working definition of sin here, though?
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Exactly my question lol. What constitutes sin for the purposes of this thread
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Hey poor people guess what - you not only have to do without, weāll blame you for it as well! 
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For the purposes of this thread, the definition of sin is disobeying Yahwehās (Godās) laws.
Some of these TV ministers distort the Bible and use it to blame the poor, while fleecing them with ātithes and offeringsā to pay fior their rich lifestyle.
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Iāve found napoleon hillās outwitting the devil has good insights on poverty. Also a good read in general along with the rest of his works.
"Q. Is that why a few people are wealthy while the majority of people are poor?
A. That is exactly the reason. Poverty, like physical illness, is a contagious disease. You find it always among the drifters, never among those who know what they want and are determined to get just that. It may mean something to you when call your attention to the fact that the non-drifters, whom I do not con-
trol, and those who possess most of the wealth of the world, happen to be the same people.
Q. I have always understood that money was the root of all evil, that the poor and the meek would inherit heaven, while the wealthy would pass into your hands. What have you to say of that claim?
A. Men who know how to get the material things of life generally know how to keep out of the hands of the Devil as well. The ability to acquire things is contagious. Drifters acquire nothing except that which no one else wants. If more people had definite aims and stronger desires for material and spiritual riches, I would have fewer victims."
Also good a good passage
"Q Your Majesty will please pardon my rudeness, but I would not be able to look myself in the face again ifI did not tell you, here and now, that you are the damnedest fiend ever to be turned loose on innocent people.
I always had the wrong conception of you. I thought you were kind enough to let people alone while they were living, that you merely tortured their souls after death. Now I learn, from your own brazen confession, that you destroy their right to freedom of thought and cause them to go through a living
hell on earth. What do you have to say to that?
A I get what I want by exercising self-control. It is not
so good for my own business, but I suggest you emulate me instead of criticizing me. You call yourself a thinker, and you are. Otherwise you would never have forced this interview on me. But you will never be the sort of thinker that frightens me unless you gain and exercise greater control over your own emotions."
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It would seem that the universe would have left a loophole. For if it is Karmic backlash from a previous life that sets someone up for a life of āsinā (poverty or gayness, or whatever) in this one, then the idea of a law of Karma must be perpetual. This would leave a vicious cycle of endless Karmic Punishment to one person, getting piled up and piled up, and worse and worse, as the more they would live their life of āsinā, the more they would be punished Karmically.
Instead, the universe gives a Cosmic Solution to their plight. If they reach out to the number of physical or mundane solutions that are available, but limited on a level as humans are concerned, then they should give up ever trying to escape. I would. I have always tried to chase after something Iāve wanted badly enough. If I fail, sometimes Iāve given up, but I pursue it again at another time. Or I find a different solution to a problem. Or just tackle something totally different to take my mind off of my limitations.
The Cosmic Solution Iām guessing is our ability to study a non-physical solution and realize that if we try, we can manipulate our reality to our liking. Iāve not perfected this for myself yet, but Iām working on it. But if everything weāre taught in magick is true and weāre all here to make changes in our life that weāre not happy with (otherwise why are you studying magick?), then there must be some way to successfully change our Karma. Do we over-ride bad Karma then if we manipulate the Mundane to our liking? Is that a sin that we didnāt live through our Karma in this life and will be punished yet further in the next existence?
I want to think that we arenāt punished for a previous lifeās sins or wrongs. Karmic backlash must happen within a personās lifetime for them to experience rather than take it out of context so no one knows what then heck theyāre being punished for in this life. The universe may be testing people rather. A life with poverty or homelessness, or some otherās sin can be tackled in this life through magick if the person is unhappy with their life. I also say as a homosexual that sin is in the eyes of the beholder. One personās sin, is anotherās gift or joy. Not that anyone would be joyful in poverty, but maybe find contentment?
I had to find contentment after having 2 weight loss surgeries. So vanity led me to have a 3rd until it worked. Then I couldnāt live with the saggy skin, so I chose multiple reconstructive surgeries. I sinned with vanity, even though my doctor had it in his head that I would have died from heart failure or diabetes if I hadnāt lost weight. I was thinking of an opportunity to look and feel attractive for the first time in my gay life. I wanted the porn body. I havenāt been able to achieve that just yet. But if I find the right spell, Iāll let you know!
My sin of homosexuality drove me to want to feel normal in a very judgemental community. I was all about gay sex, and wanted to experience what looked like so much hot fun to me. I was offered electro-shock therapy in Christian counsel as the only solution. They said I would never lose my desire for same sex relation, but I could learn to suppress the urges with electric shock therapy. Hmmm??? Really??? Thatās the solution??? I think Iāll accept my sinful life as a gay man, and now get off of this tangent that Iām on.
My point is, Iām not a sinner in my own eyes. It took me a long time to accept who I was and feel comfortable expressing myself in my own identity and being able to do it and not be ashamed of it in public. I worked for the Roman Catholic Church for over 20 years and could never have considered posting a picture of my boyfriend and I on social media.
I left my job in the church a little over a year ago to open my own Metaphysical shop. Something I have passion for . It allowed me to no longer feel spiritual oppression and allowed me to feel comfortable expressing myself as me. For real, not the mask I wanted everyone to see.
Iām tackling it. Iām not perfect, but Iām trying. Iām learning magick to help me with areas of my life that I feel for me warrant change, and to help other people through my magick. I have a long way to go, but I will keep trying. Hopefully, I wonāt have more Karmic Backlash in the next existences for fighting against what was dished out to me here against my current knowledge. I think thatās why itās good idea to learn as much as we can spiritually and aim for high spiritual ascent in this life, so we donāt have to relive certain things over. Probably a good idea to perhaps include some of āhelping others less fortunateā in life to perhaps counteract Karma. No matter what circumstances you find your life in, maybe reach out to someone with still less than we may have. Even if the difference is just pennies, or being kind, or lending a hand in someway? Maybe Iām totally off-base. Just my two cents. But as with many things, I ramble. Sorry!!!
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Great post there mate if I may say so! 
Yes, and by methods as simple as Law of Attraction, and positive thinking, they all start shifting reality to be more favourable to the person reaching out with faith for what they wantā¦
But, faith in what?
Really, just a better future for themselves, however they comceptualise it. 
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Poverty is a not a sin because sins are a made up concept. Poverty is a choice, and as counter intuitive as this sounds, sometimes it is the healthier choice.
I donāt know if choice is the right word in all circumstances?
Itās definitely an effect, created by distinct causes, but not all people have the physical, psychological, and emotional faculties to start changing the causes that lead to poverty.
People born into poverty will often have it as their set-point, something the book Psycho-Cybernetics goes into in great details - thatās not a conscious choice at all, but it is an effect of things the personās set-point causes.
Thereās also a geographic element, if you live in an area that saw its main industry, like a shipyard or a manufacturing plant get closed down, your thriving little business may go down with it - you didnāt yourself cause poverty, you just didnāt cause resilience, and most people are not going to be able to cause that while also dealing with the pressures of everyday life.
Someone can be fucked by their geography, as well - easy to be the āinspiringā disabled entrepreneur in some countries, especially with in-work benefits to support expenses, but much harder in others, especially if youāre being victimised through superstition or sheer lawlessness.
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The Law of karma is not how westerners think of it,
It was corrupted by abrahamic powers, mainly zionist jews and the church through the british!!
Itās not even Kar-ma but karm!
Westerners add āaā to almost everything hindu!
ArjunA
BhishmA
KarmA
DharmA.
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We were marking your homework!
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As far as karma goes, remember its a two way street.
As far as poverty goes:
Yes its a sinā¦because what we poor people have to do for basic survival needs.
No, not every person who is poor is uneducated.
No, the poor are not worthless.
The real sin is how the poor are treated, IMO.
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You get really mixed messages on poverty from the world religions. āThe poor will always be with usā, āwe have a responsibility to care for the widows and the orphansā, etc. We are meant to have compassion for their state, and their humility helps them follow Big 3 Religionsā tenets. We have monks and mystics that choose a life of voluntary poverty to achieve purity and break free of addictions. We honor the poor man who sneakily gives just a little out of compassion over the rich showman who wants everyone to see his offering. And even the traditionalists in the Big 3 condemn Prosperity Gospels as a new heresy because their God never said he wanted them to be rich or happy. He said it is hard to follow him. (Itās becoming obvious that I was raised in a church, huh). So how could poverty be viewed as a sin in itself? Maybe your actions in response to poverty could be āsinsā in a Big 3 sense, but not poverty itself, as it is something many are simply born into.
Granted, they do also mention someone asking āWhat sin did this man commit that he would be born blindā, so Karma could play into it, but I agree that feels like an eternal trap of accumulating Karma. Especially since social mobility is quickly becoming more and more difficult to achieve in many countries.
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It practically doesnāt even exists!!
Itās a sweet lie. Like jesus loves you!!!
Itās pretty common thing to say here among my generation, that the worst sin is to be poor, because even god doesnāt help the poor.
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Or the sin might be in hiring managers that waste time continually by saying no to the poor-to-be, because they know the poor-to-be are disposable resources, right? All the poor are the same? Nobody chooses to be poor.
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