[quote=“the1gza, post:15, topic:1778”]History is quite a thing to study, because despite what people say, unless it was about 200 year ago, no one in their right mind has a clue what was the “real” history. As time is a play thing in the grand scheme of things, I’d like to propose that the past is something that is created simultaneously with everything else, rather than a stuck occurrence. Maybe Jesus was just some dude who had some cool ideas at first, but now he is a certified God. Like any other God, some people think he is full of shit, and some people will worship his nuts, while others can literally smoke a few bongs with him and travel to different dimensions. The important thing is not what he meant to others, the trail of human history with these deities is so far lame to the power of lame.
I find it weird that as magicians, people still find the need to try and validate what they are believing, like the fact that others believe it makes it more real. I feel we are outside of the need for that, but as I am talking about it, I am guilty of doing the same thing. Honestly, these questions will wind up sprouting debates with no clear or “right” conclusion. This is why I feel the forums should be centered around practice, and that theory is best left for a person to make true or relinquish upon their own discovery.
No one’s gonna be able to give you a right answer, simply because the right answer is gonna be an answer you choose. History, time, reality… it’s all a game. Just play the bitch; no one is sitting at the PS3 acting like the shit is the be all of the world (well, at least most people). This shit is no different, play the bitch, have some fun, and quit sweatin’ or worrying about the technical shit. Yes he is an aspect of Horus, and no he most certainly not an aspect of Horus.[/quote]
I hear what you’re saying, what I am saying though, is that there are real, tangible, historical evidences that this MAN existed as a Bloodline Royal of Egyptian/Hebrew decent.
I’m not venerating him as a God, I don’t know how anyone could, simply because I have no idea what his TRUE teachings were, because as I’ve noted they were ultimately perverted by Saul, Vespian & The Romans. (They turned it into SUN worship for crying out loud!, see my post earlier in this topic on the astrological references,. This is where the relationship to ‘Horus’ comes in as Horus was also a SUN God.)
What I’m saying is, from the TRUE historical record, I.E. the Talmudic record, Life, Roman records, etc, the MAN would have been exiled from Judea and lived out his life to an old age exiled on the outskirts of England. He was in fact a rebel King who went up against Rome.
The ‘religion’ that popped up around him(the trinity idiocy, ripped off of Egypt, Greco-Rome, etc…etc…!) is pure silliness and based on prior cultures veneration of the SUN.
Now of course we can get into the ‘alternative reality’ ‘choose your own adventure’ ‘time-space-continuum’ arguments, but I’m simply going by historical records. I was able to toss out my ‘belief’ system by studying the occult records of humanity, by analyzing things like this in a serious nature going in with certain ‘beliefs’. Really only then was I able ascertain that everything I ‘believed’ was pure bullshit and start with a clean slate. Face it, most people will cling until they discover through logic & reason that they are simply…well, wrong.
IMO, if you’re still holding to ‘beliefs’ of any kind and you’re summoning spirits…you’re in the wrong business, that’s just me. We probably agree on that.
Of course I’ve noted before on this forum that humanity itself can ‘breathe’ the life into these stories, thus egegores can and are created ultimately by the consciousness of mankind. So doubtless these thought forms ultimately can ‘become’ something real. I’m just saying the ‘original wax’ untouched that the egregore sprang from was most likely something very different than the final product. So yes, in that regard, it probably is a very smart thing to philosophize on the origins of a system.
