I have heard someone tell me there was a ritual where some people take a chicken and transfer their karma into a chicken. Is this possible to do to your enemy?
Only if you believe in karma. If you make it real on your own mind then maybe.
But since karma is actually real, yes you can make a ritual to transfer it to a chicken, I’m not sure about which tradition this person followed, but this is very normal in the Yioruba tradition, also, if you meditate over the mantra nam-myoho-rengue-kyo, it is believed that you’re transforming your karma into dharma, destroying its karmaic aspect.
Not unless there’s a shared belief in it, otherwise you’re not transferring karma you’re either cursing or blessing them based off your own idea of karma.
Being that is Karma, would it not come back onto you? That would seem to me to be the law of Karma
wow thanks! i don’t remember what she said. I think she said Jewish people did it? Not sure. do you know the ritual for the Yioruba tradition? Thanks brother
Well that changes the dynamic! hehe
I have to stop you right there!
There is no legitimate ritual in Yoruba tradition for transferring your karma to a chicken or anyone else. Yoruba tradition (also known as Ifa or Orisha) is all about what we call Iwa Pele. This means cool or gentle character. The point that I’m making here, is that personal responsibility is a HUGE concept within our tradition.
Please do not believe that you can get rid of your karma by giving it to someone else. This is shirking your responsibility, which is not a thing that will help you develop character or grow spiritually or as a person.
Now, there IS a way to cleanse negative energies or remove curses using chickens or other animals. But this is a different thing from karma. This is also something that can ONLY be done by a LEGITIMATE and TRAINED priest as it will require animal sacrifice which CANNOT be done by non priests for a variety of reasons. If you are not a priest and you try that…well…you do so at your own risk and peril lets say. So no, there is no ritual from the Yoruba tradition that can help you shirk your responsibility.
Like the old adage…if you did the crime, you do the time.
What she may have been talking about is Judaism. I know in the Old Testament it talks about a scapegoat ritual that I believe is meant to carry away the sins of the people…but I’m not too knowledgeable on that so you’ll have to look it up.
In the Yioruba tradition (religions such as Candomblé and Umbanda follow it, if you can find a specialist in those, even better), you’d have either a high priest (they don’t use this terminology, it’s an equivalence) transfer it from you to a chicken via ritual, or you’d get the chicken (usually it’s a rooster) you’d offer it to an entity called Eshu (Eśu in the original language), Eśu then is going to transfer the karma himself, you should use divination to see whether the rooster was accepted or not as an offering, if yes, you literally have to hold the rooster, still alive, and rub it on your left and right arm, make a few prayers that are obscure to me, and then sever its head and offer it’s blood to Eśu
You’re saying that I’ve been played for a fool by the man who taught me this?
The first thing to understand is that Candomble, Umbanda, Santeria, etc…have connections to Yoruba tradition but they are not “pure” Yoruba tradition. They have been born out of necessity due to slavery and are highly modified.
You are likely speaking of a Babalawo
You would never, in any branch of this tradition do this yourself. The priest would be the only one to do it.
The chances of this, I would say, is pretty much zero. The fact is the Esu is the Orisha that is ALL ABOUT choices and personal responsibility. That is one of the main lessons he teaches. So, the chances of him helping you pass your karma to someone else or something else is unlikely.
Again…all of this would be done by the priest.
Before I answer this question… do you follow one of the Yoruba derived traditions? And if so, for how long?
Also, please note that none of what I am saying is an attack. It is simply meant to enlighten. The Yoruba tradition is my main practice so I take it quite seriously and there are so many people out there that spread false information about it…so I find myself always trying to clear that mess up.
I have been following Umbanda for a fairly small time to be honest, this was taught me by a priest (I really hate not having a better word for it), maybe he simplified the removal of blocks from one’s life as karmic cleanse to facilitate my understanding, also, I genuinely didn’t know all of this should be done by a priest, I’m sorry for spreading ignorance and misinformation
Don’t be sorry. You only know what you know. That’s why I’m sharing.
Ok, so the thing with Umbanda (per what I was told by a Brazilian friend of mine that grew up in it) is that it is very far removed from true Yoruba practice. Umbanda calls in just about whatever spirit and has a darker tone from my understanding. So maybe, in Umbanda they do things differently, as it is not the same.
That is quite possible. If you are talking about removing blocks that are in your life, that may indeed be present as some Karma, then yes, I can see where he would be going. That would make more sense.
But Karma in the sense that I think the OP was talking about…no. Karma is about cause and effect. Karma is about a checks and balance. Karma is you getting back what you put out. Karma is about responsibility, and learning lessons to help in your evolution (in my understanding). So it would be outrageous to try to transfer it to someone else. How would you learn the lessons? But I digress.
I know in LHP, a lot of people don’t believe in karma and the likes, and I’m not trying to change or challenge any ones beliefs. Just stating my ideas.
I don’t want to go on and on here and derail the topic, so if you would like to continue this conversation and have more info on Ifa, send me a PM…
But to @danboi I would suggest that you not go in the direction of transferring anything to a chicken without proper guidance and involvement from a priest in whatever tradition you follow.
Sorry if I derailed the topic folks. My intent was not to preach on Yoruba protocol. Just to clear up a misunderstanding.
That’s right. Karma is yours to deal with alone. It may take several lifetimes and your decendants my be affected by it, but it must be dealt with. Both positive and negative karma.
And I don’t think that Karma always applies to a next lifetime.
I believe that much of our Karma is reaped in this very lifetime…but whatever is not dealt with can carry over.
The thing that people don’t understand with Karma is that it is not going to come back in exactly the same way it was sent out. It’s not like “oh I punched this guy, so I’m going to get punched.” It can come back many years later in a way that you don’t even identify as being connected to the original event. That is why it is so important to watch what we put out, what our intentions are etc…
We all deal with it in one way or another.
If this person did say that, then I think she is confusing the Ritual of the Scapegoat, where you place your sins upon two goats, and sacrifice one to Yahweh and send one to the desert for Azazel, with the idea of karma.
Hiya OP! It is completely possible to transfer your karma into someone or something else, in the Hebraic traditions this is known as a scapegoat ritual, which, like DK said, is a sacrifice to increase good karma and remove the bad by giving the ‘sins’ (just negative karmas) of the people to the goat, where it would then ‘attract sin-seekers’, which really just means that the forces manifested by negative karma resonate with the goat instead of the people, which is then consumed by the elements/demon.
Another way to do this is to create sculptures while saturating yourself in the energies of your bad karma, ‘letting it all out’ while creating a humanoid figurine is a natural transference of bad karma into the effigy. These kinds of negative-charge batteries are dangerous to keep around due to the ‘area of effect’, which is why the tradition was to send the scapegoat into the desert. To really let go of those energies, you need to send the effigy off in a way that does not directly involve you in its destruction- like throwing it in the trash! There are plenty of ways to manipulate karmic energy, you just need to drop your assumptions/mind and observe the interactions.
I was thinking about how the gods could create micro-transactions for real life. We could just buy positive karma for easy payments of .99 per point.
On a more serious note, what an interesting concept.