Intelligence agencies and the occult

My old landlady was a Holocaust survivor as a little girl and grew up in London and later became a high ranking mossad agent I remember having a quick conversation on Kabbalah in the elevator once. I was reminded of this when I saw an earlier post on the forum here and then I was reminded of Dr. John Dee and the sudden change in the view of the occult thanks to King James who wanted no part of Dee and his sciences. I found this article and thought that it brings it all together nicely and has some great overview information on John Dee and Francis Bacon.
This is the article.

.A Bond for All the Ages :

Sir Francis Bacon and John Dee : the Original 007

Fractal courtesy of D.W. Cooper

see ENLARGEMENT of John Dee image

By D.W.Cooper & Lawrence Gerald

There has been more written about Francis Bacon’s life from the age of sixteen, when he left England and travelled to the continent during the late 1570’s meeting up with the leading thinkers of the cultural revolution in France, than his other formative years and the elders who also shaped his mind.

Alfred Dodd in his book Francis Bacon’s Personal Life -Story quotes Bacon’s biographer and chaplain, Dr.Rawley, “I shall not tread too near upon the heels of truth”, letting us know that this biography of Bacon would not be too exact in it’s details. Dodd’s book speculates that Queen Elizabeth secretly supervised the education of young Francis. There are only brief accounts of his early days at York House and Gorhambury with his adoptive parents Sir Nicholas and Lady Anne Bacon.

The Earl of Leicester, Robert Dudley (the Queen’s favorite), was the first man, according to Dodd to license a band of players for dramatic purposes. Without a license, acting was illegal in Elizabeth’s England. It was through Leicester’s sphere of influence, that a young Francis Bacon had developed interest in drama and the theater while getting the opportunity to know James Burbage, the first man to build a theater in England. Bacon would also get to meet in the Court circles the man who had tutored Leicester and advised Elizabeth on matters of state -the man whom Ian Fleming modeled his 007 James Bond character on, the first and perhaps the best secret agent of the crown, Dr.John Dee.

John Dee(1527-1608) was a fascinating genius, considered a magus, philosopher and alchemist who captured the attention of the royal courts and best minds throughout Europe. You were either intimidated by his ideas and reputation or you wished to be influenced by them. It has only been in the last century that we’ve had a more sober approach to Dee, thanks to such authors as Peter French, Francis Yates, Gerald Shuster and Richard Deacon who have rescued this “man of grand design” from obscurity and have realized how significant a thinker he was.

Dr. Dee’s learning was far and wide, a brilliant mathematician, whose study ranged from geo-cartography and calculus which was vital in navigating the New World for explorers, to astrology, alchemy, the Cabala, cypher writing, religion, architecture, and science. In short, Dee’s metaphysics were a ‘red’ cross of the Hermetic tradition with a strong dose of mathematics. His library at the riverside village of Mortlake was considered the finest private collection in Europe containing thousands of bound books and handwritten manuscripts devoted to philosophy, science and esoterica. In comparison the University of Cambridge at the time had a mere 451 total books and manuscripts in their possession.

Noel Fermor in the journal Baconiana wrote that, "The Earl of Leicester’s father, the Duke of Northmberland, employed Dee as a tutor to his children so that they would have a sound scientific upbringing. Northumberland became a notable scientist with a strong leaning toward mathematics and magnetism. Anthony Wood in his Athenae Oxoniensis, wrote “that no one knew Robert Dudley better than Dee.” So it was quite natural for Leicester to introduce Dee to Elizabeth as she was to become the new Queen and it wasn’t long before Dee advanced to become the court astrologer.

(Leicester signed his letters to Elizabeth with two circles containing dots symbolising he was her “Eyes”)

Elizabeth was very much interested in the occult. Dee was responsible for choosing the most auspicious date for Elizabeth’s coronation which was on January 15th, 1559. The Queen was so impressed by Dee that she eventually travelled with her court to Mortlake, for the purpose of seeing his great library.

Dee has been defamed through the centuries as a necromancer, but it’s the opinion of many writers that his angelic-cabalistic- alchemical work, his Philosophers Stone, the"Monad Hieroglyphica"(1564) may have been a cover for covert operations carried on in the name of her majesty. The 007 was the insignia number that Elizabeth was to use for private communiques between her Court and Dee.

Dee signed his letters with two circles symbolising his own two eyes and indicating that he was the secret eyes of the Queen.The two circles are guarded by what may be considered a square root sign or an elongated seven. For Dee, seven was a sacred cabbalistic and lucky number.(Richard Deacon)

When the Spanish Armada loomed over the English Channel it was Dee as the wise sage who suggested to hold the course and be still. He had correctly anticipated that devastating storms would destroy the mighty Spanish Fleet and that it would be best to keep the English ships at bay. Some have suggested that it was Dee himself who conjured up that storm. Whatever it was that allowed England to defeat the Armada, John Dee was having his finest patriotic moment. One can see why some commentators have Dee associated with being the inspiration for the protagonist Prospero (to hope for the future) from The Tempest. Francis Yates in her seminal exploration Majesty and Magic in Shakespeare’s Last Plays, comments, “Dare one say that the German Rosicrucian movement reaches a peak of poetic expression in The Tempest, a Rosicrucian manifesto infused with the spirit of Dee, using theatrical parables for esoteric communication?”

Dee’s wisdom of nature even extended into the field of architecture where Francis Yates in The Theatre of the World states that James Burbage consulted Dee on the design of the first theater, which was built in veneer stone. Later,“The Globe was created, says Yates, because in the Burbage tradition the design was to amplify naturally the voices of the plyers.” This was accomplished by the geometrical resonance of the circled dome. Burbage relied on Dee’s extensive architectural library for this construction.

Little has come down to us in terms of records of Francis Bacon and John Dee knowing each other but on the afternoon of August 11, 1582 there was an entry in Dee’s journal that they met at Mortlake. Bacon was 21 years old at the time and was accompanied by a Mr. Phillipes, a top cryptographer in the employ of Sir Francis Walsingham who headed up the early days of England’s secret service. They were there according to Ewen MacDuff, in an article, “After Some Time Be Past” in ‘Baconiana’, (Dec.1983)" to find out the truth about the ancient Hebrew art of the Gematria- one of the oldest cipher systems known, dating from 700 B.C. They were seeking to discuss this with Dee because he was not only one of the leading adepts of this field, but a regular practitioner in certain levels of Gematria." Also, David Kahn in The Codebreakers suggests that because of Dee’s great interest in the 13th century alchemist Roger Bacon, that he may have introduced Bacon to the works of Roger Bacon,“which may help explain the similarities in their thought.”

The Precarious Politics of Hermetic Tradition in the King James Reign

There is no doubt of John Dee’s ubiquitous influence during the Elizabethan age. When James became King, Dee’s ideas on magic were no longer appreciated. James unfavorable and fearful attitude toward the occult was the opposite of Elizabeth’s. Bacon became well aware that it was necessary to be very careful while advancing his scientific ideas to James and that any trace of Dee’s weird angelic-alchemical study could jeopardize his own projects from taking hold. Bacon’s observation of the mis-treatment bestowed upon Dee by James served to reinforce that it was a different era and that the need to practice that Shakespeare maxim, “Discretion is the better part of valor” was imperative to anyone with a sweet disposition toward magic and mathematics or a secret society. Dee was even derided in the Ben Jonson play The Alchemist perhaps to placate James, yet another signal that this was an end of the liberal Elizabethan attitude toward Hermeticism. So it’s not surprising that Bacon chose to hold back his Rosicrucian utopia The New Atlantis from publication until after his death as it portrayed a future world in which man could co-exist with his fellow man without the divine right of kings and the new tools that the magic of science would one day bring could also be in harmony with nature as well. But it was Dee’s colonization dream many years before who referred to the new world as “Atlantis.” He would have been proud to have read Bacon’s New Atlantis and seen Bacon’s sympathetic portrayal of him as the magician Prospero, of The Tempest. <

Francis Yates in The Rosicrucian Enlightenment suggests that," in Bacon’s writings there is nowhere to be found any mention of Dee or his famous Monas Hierglyphica. Yates makes a further point by saying that, "It is a well known objection to Bacon’s claim to be an important figure in the history of science that he did not place sufficient emphasis on the all-important mathematical sciences in his programme for the advancement of learning, and that he ignored these sciences by his rejection of the Copernican theory and of William Gilbert’s theory of the magnet. Bacon’s avoidance of mathematics and Copernican theory might have been because he regarded mathematics as too closely associated with Dee and his ‘conjuring’ and Copernicus as to closely associated with Bruno and his extreme Egyptian and magical religion. This hypothesis is now worth recalling because it suggests a possible reason for a major difference between German Rosicrucianism and Baconianism. In the former Dee and his mathematics are not feared, but Bacon avoids them; in the former Bruno is an influence but is rejected by Bacon. In both cases Bacon may have been evading what seemed to him dangerous subjects in order to protect his projects from witch hunters, from the cry of ‘sorcery’ which as Naude’ said, “could pursue a mathematician in the early 17th century.”

It should be remembered that Bacon had a cautious and scientific approach to mathematics along with his great interest in cyphers.

Peter Dawkins in his book “Francis Bacon Herald of the New Age” would strongly disagree with Yates on Bacon’s avoidance of mathematics. He writes, “nothing could be further from the truth: for number is a cypher and geometry a symbol for truth, and Francis Bacon was intensely interested in and a master of cipher and symbol, and of rhythm in language, using them repeatedly throughout all his works in various cryptic ways–for he saw mathematics as a vitally important occult or mystical science, and used it accordingly. Mathematics coupled with analogy and allegory, constitute a principal means to the discovery of what Bacon has enticingly hidden.” Dawkins later emphasizes that, “Francis Bacon considered mathematics to be a branch of metaphysics, capable of giving insights into the highest ‘Forms’ or archetypes–the laws and intelligences of the universe. Consequently, like Dr. John Dee, his early tutor, he was fascinated by mathematical cypher in both its numeric and geometric forms, and with its magical use. Bacon gives both mathematics and analogy which he considers a science and calls “grammatical philosophy,” a high place in his Great Instauration; which, when used together help to unlock the doors to that which Bacon has deliberately concealed-- including certain mysteries hidden in the Shakespeare plays. For instance, the two great books published in 1623 were the Shakespeare’s Folio Comedies, Histories & Tragedies and Bacon’s De Augmentis Scientiarum{the philosophical background and purpose of the Shakespeare plays} two masterpieces published together, since they are as twins, each being a key to unlock hidden treasures in the other-- two relating to the twin faculties of the mind–imagination and reason–and both drawing upon the third faculty, memory.” It should be noted that the following year 1624 the cypher book, Cryptomenytices was published and Dawkins points to this as “providing the cipher keys to open the ‘crypt’ of Rosicrucian wisdom hidden in both the philosophical and the poetical works of art of this great Master.”

Yates admits to being a Stratfordian and of course does not realize the extent of Bacon’s wisdom in protecting himself from censorship. She says, “We begin to understand that The Tempest was a very bold manifesto, and that Shakespeare was braver than Bacon.”

If Yates could only glimpse how ahead of the game Bacon was she could only burst out and laugh at herself for writing this. But she is not the first modern day Shakespeare critic to underestimate Francis Bacon’s foresight to write under a mighty pen-name and steer his Secret Free-Masonry-Group at the same time. It’s like asking was Twain braver than Clemens? The absurd logic of this could be solved if Stratfordians applied the Baconian method (inductive logic with trial and error) into the Shakespeare Authorship. Go one step further using this method of inquiry to cross reference a lost connection missing between the Rosicrucian literature of The Fama and the Confessio, The Chemical Marriage of Christian Rosenkrantz, The New Atlantis, The Tempest, with The King James Version of the Bible, The Advancement of Learning and Dee’s Monad Hieroglyphic. Somewhere there lies a common thread, a code, meant for those who would cross reference all these words. Perhaps when the code is broken we will have the equivalent of Prospero’s buried staff and recognize the impact of Dee and Bacon’s relationship with their dedication to the enlightenment of all.

What Bacon learned from Dee outside of the importance of cyphers was not to have one’s political and esoteric-artistic identity defined exclusively by the outside world. There was inner power for Bacon that no matter what happened to him he could still sacrifice his name, bury his staff like Prospero and wield a protective persona to express his artistic views for himself and his secret group of “Good Pens.” This is responsible wisdom in action as a response to difficult political pressures. For Bacon due to the out of the ordinary set of circumstances surrounding his birth this pressure became a discipline for him (all his life) to maintain and remember that old saying, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer.” Bacon knew from first hand experience when he said, as Shakespeare, “sweet are the uses of adversity.”

Manly P. Hall had a book, Orders of Universal Reformation in which a woodcut from 1655 by Jacob Cats, shows an emblem of an ancient man bearing likeness to John Dee, passing the lamp of tradition over an open grave to a young man with an extravagantly large rose on his shoe buckle. In Bacon’s sixth book of the Advancement of Learning he defines his method as, Traditionem Lampadis, the delivery of the lamp.

Mrs. Henry Pott writes in "Francis Bacon and His Secret Society,“The organization or method of transmission he (Bacon) established was such as to ensure that never again so long as the world endured, should the lamp of tradition, the light of truth, be darkened or extinguished.”

In closing a comment from Noel Fermor from

Baconiana 1981 "After all, in John Dee we have a man who had a profound influence on Renaissance thought and on the deep laid schemes of Francis Bacon for the betterment of mankind. Dee wrote, "Farewell, diligent reader; in reading these things, invocate the spirit of Eternal Light, speak little, meditate much and judge aright."

For more on John Dee: visit The John Dee Society Web Site

Read another article about John Dee : The Menu is Not the Meal by Harla Quinn

Bibliography for this article

Francis Bacon, “The Advancement of Learning"1605
Baconiana issues 181 & 183
Peter Dawkins, “Francis Bacon The Herald of the New Age” 1997 Richard Deacon, “John Dee,Scientist,Geographer, Astrologer & Secret Agent to Elizabeth I"
Alfred Dodd, “Francis Bacon’s Personal Life-Story” 1986
Peter French, “John Dee, The World of the Elizabethan Magus"1984
Manly P. Hall, “America’s Assignment with Destiny” 1951
"Orders of Universal Reformation” -1976
Penn Leary, “The Second Cryptographic Shakespeare” 1990
Mrs.Henry Pott, “Francis Bacon and His Secret Society” 1891
Gerald Shuster, “John Dee-The Essential Readings” 1986
Francis Yates, “The Rosicrucian Enlightenment” 1986
"Majesty and Magic in Shakespeare’s Last Plays” 1975
"Theatre of the World” 1969

Here is the link to the article if you want it.

The problem with combining the two is that any occultist sooner or later comes to the realisation, through direct personal experience, that reality isn’t quite as real and solid as they’d previously believed, and that things outside the self have an awful habit of resembling things inside the psyche.

At that point, someone in that line of work would be faced with the difficult task of keeping a straight face when trying to “play the world’s game” - one made doubly hard if the magus has no context within which to place his “Whoops, it was me all along” realisations, and no peers to talk to, about what to do next.

If one were to see Intel Agencies within the game one would pretty much have to play a criminal role or something highly influential enough that could be used for their activities. The magick gets you places, but you have to fit the physical role as well. Thats why I just laugh when I hear all sorts of baloney like ET’s and Intel Agents are after certain people, because most likely (usually) the justifications in place are not right to validate such a reality.

The real reasons Intel Agents would be involved is because Occult Individuals tend to go away from the norm…where drug use is common one would imagine is morr common among rebelioue to religion individuals. Anither arena other than drugs is politics…both of these spheres is usually something to watch like activism which could escalate into terrorism. I know this, and I do not play that game of being a potential useful idiot. Now Intel Agencies in the occult is just using the occult as a Front for something bigger. Maybe back then it might’ve beeen a little different…but this same game has been going on since Rome.

Intelligence services today seem to collude with the various forms of the Ordo Templi Orientis and the wide amount of Neo Templar/Knights of Malta sects operating around the world. I have even heard that the 60’s counter culture revolution in the US was planned by The British OTO and people like Aldous Huxley.

They no doubt influenced the counter culture but they didn’t plan it I think it just happened. Just my take on it.

That’s very interesting to note, the influence of intelligence agencies and the occult. I always wanted to know about Jack Parsons involvement with these agencies. He seemed to really have his shit together with the military industrial complex.

I’m sure there was, is and will be a certain mixture of occultism and the modern intelligence agencies. Historically speaking, intelligence agencies are relatively new, really only getting their start as formal groups at the end of World War 2 (for the US, for example) or gaining some momentum during large scale conflicts. Typically, however, most intelligence collections or gatherings really started in two ways:

Your shady, criminals who had dirt on a lot of people or military units. In fact, a lot of recon patrols focus entirely on getting information of the battlefield, positions of units, important documents, etc without ever going into battle at all. If contact with the enemy is made then the units will do everything they can to break contact and leave.

A spy, in the modern sense of someone trained and equipped by a nation, had it’s basis in a guy transmitting intelligence of troop movements and political news to the enemy. From what I’ve seen, most of the spying that occurred is done through historical analysis of turncoats or people supporting an opposing side in a conflict and most of those people were rather aristocratic, mostly small time nobles or those who bled their hearts out for their nations.

But most of what I’ve written about here has more to do with the modern era of nationalism from about 1700 AD with a bit of a mixture from other groups of nobles from, well, ancient times. Really, since societies first formed.

At around the first times of civilizations, the two ruling classes were the clergy (in polytheism) and the military, of which a strong ruler would often be apart of the latter. Of course, there’s plenty of talk about how some rulers used Divine Authority as a means to strengthen their status but a lot of amateur historians, theologians and philosophers say that about almost every person in history and reason every occurrence of the sort as being the same thing- a person looking to consolidate power.

There were great mixtures of military and clergy classes, I’m sure, when it came to rulers. Various legends like those of Unas, Alexander and even the Archangel Gabriel being Divine rulers of man are written and it’s hard for me, a strong leap of faith really, to think that strong, well-run civilizations would never speak to each other about events like that being either plausible or even actual.

In modern times, however, a lot of intelligence agencies do experiment with occult sciences for various methods. In fact, there was a project done in the CIA called the Pegasus Project which experimented with remote viewing as intelligence asset and possible military application ever since Uri Geller’s claims of seeing spaceships and buildings on the Moon and his astounding (sarcasm) ability to bend spoons with his mind. There was an old video about it on YouTube with Robert Gates, then Secretary of the CIA, discussing the project on CNN. Lou Dobbs might’ve been the anchor, I can’t recall. If you ever look on the SAIC (which is a defense intelligence agency and contractor for the government) webpage on wikipedia, it mentions various programs used and developed by them for the aforementioned purposes.

The mix is there and there’s certainly interest but most people don’t know how to use it nor are they willing to try. From what I’ve heard, and again it’s heresay from a dude you don’t know from the internet, a lot of people were placing Zen Master status or high ranking Magi status on those who were never initiated and then expected them, with little knowledge or desire, to achieve goals using magical operations. I hear those experiments fail miserably and are only maintained by those with dabbler-level knowledge but fanatical convictions. Nice article, by the way.

Power, using hidden knowledge to get (and maintain) an edge, and control - the usual pre-occupations of humans writ large, and finding their apotheosis in both fields of endeavour.

While the counter-culture was something that was engineered by the CIA (and others) what you have said here is typical “conspiracy theory” culture rubbish that people regurgitate.
I question how influential and power the OTO is in modern times.
If anyone has any information on this I would certainly be interested in reading it.

I wanted to add that I have learned much occult technique from reading declassified CIA documents. So they do know a thing or two and that is for sure.

Yes, the next time you feel like an idiot or fool for being interested in the occult and magic be aware that these things have been explored by intelligence at various times in various ways. If they didn’t have some reason to believe there was something to it they would never have investigated, studied, and developed technologies relevant to it.

There are compartments in various intelligence groups that have worked with and are aware that there are other “levels” all around us. I like to call them “frequencies”. There are “eyes” that can see.


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[quote=“Iam Incide, post:11, topic:8378”]Yes, the next time you feel like an idiot or fool for being interested in the occult and magic be aware that these things have been explored by intelligence at various times in various ways. If they didn’t have some reason to believe there was something to it they would never have investigated, studied, and developed technologies relevant to it.

There are compartments in various intelligence groups that have worked with and are aware that there are other “levels” all around us. I like to call them “frequencies”. There are “eyes” that can see.


So how does it feel to know that you have Secret Service using you for Remote Viewing Porn? lol