How to interpret a reading asking if some daemons would accept helping me with my baneful requests?

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Hi, guys. So, some time ago I made a post sharing my ideas to take revenge on someone who made my life a living hell for a lot of time. Unfortunately, I was too busy with other stuff and I’m the meticulous type, so I spent months doing researches until I felt like I’ve found the perfect daemons to help me. But that’s the thing, I asked a friend of mine (who’s also a good tarot reader), to ask if they’d accept my requests. And I’m confused, cause since I’m asking a yes or no, I think the yes should come with positive cards, but on the other hand I’m asking in a baneful context, so I don’t know if more negative cards would mean they’d accept it. I decided then to ask for help here, and of course I’ll also share my own interpretations.

• Will Amon accept my request and agree to help me destroy my target’s friendships?Answer: the ace of cups, the hermit and 3 of swords

• Will Leraje accept my request and agree to help me destroy all my target’s romantic relationships and make him unable to be in a romantic or sexual relationship with anyone? Answer: 2 of cups, the ace of swords and 10 of pentacles

• Will Raum accept my request and agree to help me destroy my target’s reputation and make him be loathed by everyone around him? Answer: 6 of pentacles, the ace of cups and 8 of cups

• Will Abbadon accept my request and agree to help me destroy my target’s social life?Answer: the page of pentacles, the king of swords and the devil

So, now my interpretations.

• Amon: In my opinion, this one sounded kinda “clear”, but I might as well have interpreted it wrong. I see the hermit + 3 of swords as HUGE friendship break up and isolation energy. But what about the ace of cups? Would it work as a “yes, he’ll help and this is what will happen to his friendships (the hermit + 3 of swords”?, or “no, he won’t accept your request and you’ll feel alone and disappointed because of it”?

• Leraje: This one is kinda interesting to me, cause I asked specifically about romantic relationships, and in my opinion the 2 of cups and the 10 of pentacles are two of the biggest cards for that matter. Someone once told me that the ace of swords, specially when in the middle of the reading, like it looked like in my case, represents “cutting” something off, or splitting energy. Could it mean “yes, Leraje will help splitting his romantic relationships like a sword”, or “no, and his relationships will remain loving, clear and enduring”?

• Raum: I feel like this is one of the most confusing ones to me. I thought the 6 of pentacles could represent the evocation, our give and take. We have the ace of cups again and I really can’t tell the meaning behind it. And what about the 8 of cups? Would it mean he’d indeed accept my request but then just drop the task? I didn’t even know daemons could do that in the first place. Or maybe it’d represent people leaving my target?

• Abbadon: Another confusing one to me. I thought the page of pentacles could be me, taking the first steps into making some progress, the king of swords could possibly be Abbadon, I guess. But what about the devil? I mean, Abbadon is the demon of destruction itself, and the devil, to me, represent a lot of nasty things, like toxic habits, etc. Could it represent his social life? Or even Abbadon himself?

Guys, I’m really sorry if this is annoying, I don’t wanna bother anyone, I just really need some help here. I plan on altering some stuff tho, like the deadline, cause I also asked about the final outcome and didn’t quite like it, but I’ll probably still stick with those same daemons, so I really needed to know if they’d help or if he evocations would be pointless. Anyways, thanks to anyone who made it till here

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Your friend did the reading. The cards will speak in terms he understands. So what was his interpretation?

No third party is going to interpret his reading the same way as he did

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Hi. So, my friend usually doesn’t interpret the readings. For some reason she’s really good at picking the cards and her intuition is fire, but I’m the one who usually interpret them. I know it sounds weird asf, but it is how it is. That’s why I’m trying to figure this out by myself. She also doesn’t work with daemons, so she’s even more confused than me now

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You don’t say what the meaning of the 3 positions are, and that’s important too. Did your friend tell you that?

This is usually past, present, future, but it’s not safe to assume. It could be the questioner, the obstacles, the outcome…

And tarot is not great for yes/no answers - they always talk around a topic and a positive card doesn’t mean yes. It means, there’s positive things in that given position in context, but if that positive is for you’re target, that’s probably negative for you. And then you have to also read the cards relative to the other cards in thier positions.

I think that’s where the confusion is.

And then I think it’s fine that you do the interpretation, but you are missing important information to do so.

A better phrasing of questions for tarot is something like “what would it look like when Raum delivers x outcome”. And then pull for past present future, and if the future is the same as the past he’s not doing it or it won’t work, or won’t get you what you wanted.

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It’s because we don’t use spreads, like past, present and future. I think the name is called “intuitive reading”, or something like this. Basically, all the cards are the answer simultaneously.

The problem is that we don’t use positions, and I can’t figure out if the negative meaning cards would be a no or simply saying yes, because my request is, essentially, something negative itself. If I had asked if the daemons would fulfill a request of mine, and that request was something positive, maybe related to love, then I feel like the answer would be much clear; I’d have to expect positive cards for a yes and negative ones for a no. In this case, I simply don’t know how to interpret them. Also, as you said, positive cards for my target would be bad for me, so I don’t know if the positive cards would be about them or me.

Ok, wait, so I should do something like “how’s my target’s relationship with his friends now?” vs “how it’ll be by the end of my deadline, if I ask Raum to ruin his friendships?”. Something like that? And could I use the same “spread” as before, which is just 3 cards serving as the answer, simultaneously?

I’m also making some alterations too, for example, I’m trying to figure out if Abbadon would suit the task better that Raum, or maybe if I should ask both, but to cover different aspects of the task. But I’m sure about Amon and Leraje, I feel like they’d be the right ones. But in your opinion, would you say my interpretations make sense or do you have something else to add?

Again, thanks for your insights, Mulberry. You’re always helpful :handshake:

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So I had to look that up, I found this article that explains there’s traditional readers, and then intuitive readers - personally, this doesn’t make sense to me as traditional readers are also heavily reliant of intuition for info around the meanings and the relationship. To drop the meanings is just using the imagery loses the Akashic record meaning attachments and thus losing half the value, but ok.

Magick is personal, it’ll all work as long as you know what your intention is and put the effort in.

However, the spread was pulled with the specific energy relationship of the tarot reader and you in mind, and not us.

So this requires an adept able to remotely tap into your two systems and probe into the gut feelings you guys had for the reading, in order to get out own.

Do we have permission from this reader to make that psychic probe? Did you tell them you would ask here and get thier ok? I would expect them to have protections preventing that to be honest. That would obfuscate anything we could say.

Now, it’s possible to force past any barrier if you know how, but it’s much harder work (and you have to know how, and have a stronger will than the target), and for some, unethical so they will not - also risks being seen as an attack and getting backlash. I’m assuming we’d have your permission via this thread. But nobody wants a witch war over free work when they were only trying to help. Of course they may not be able to tell, any may not have protections, but it’s not something you want to spend a lot of time on or find out the hard way.

So you’re left with unverified UPG and yet more unverified UPG on top that may or may not match, and i=even if it does could be coincidence. It’s just not clean or ideal.

So the next way to find out is that it would be less work to just reread with your questions from scratch.

We have a Request thread for free work here: Request Thread for Those Who Want to Practice Working for Others

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I disagree that it’s fine to do a spread as a group project. The reader needs to have the actual skills to do it from beginning to the end since in intuitive readings the reader doesn’t only read the meaning of each card but also the energy behind it. Something that you cannot do when your friend has picked the cards.

Especially when your friend has zero knowledge about tarot and she’s confused even with your question and answer. We don’t entagle multiple energies on our cards.

And since you’re greatly invested emotionally in the topic of your questions, whatever you interpret will most likely be either your fears or your wishful thoughts. And yes, what you do is not “intuitive reading”, it’s good for a game or for practice, but not for actual readings.

That being said, I’m an intuitive cartomancer since I was 7 and that’s why I cannot tell you what the cards your friend pulled mean, as when I do readings I see an actual story behind my eyes based on the card’s meaning, the energy surrounding the card and the energy and meaning of the cards surrounding it.

Your best bet is to give a gently friendly push to your friend to do an actual reading herself for your situation, without you intervening whatsoever.

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Sorry, I might’ve used the wrong term then.

I didn’t know about it. For some reason, her readings are good, really good. And somehow she can obtain consistent answers even with brand new decks. Once she even got almost the same cards with two different decks in a short time frame. But interpreting the cards is not her thing. Which is interesting, cause I gave up on tarot because I couldn’t pick the right cards. And it wasn’t something like “maybe it’s your interpretation”, I swear I’d get completely confusing and straight forward wrong answers for no reason. So we decided she’d pick the cards and I’d interpret, and till now they were always right. I also think her interpretation wouldn’t be so different from mine, cause apparently what she has been doing it’s not called intuitive readings.

I really don’t know how to do that. And I think she doesn’t know it either. You mean asking her to interprete them for me? Cause she’s not a cartomancer, she just do it for herself and for some close friends, so she’s really not as invested as people who profit from it, you know. Someone told me to reframe my questions and try to use past, present and future to find out about the possible outcomes of the evocation I was planning to do. Do you think this sounds right?