Help me understand some things and how to improve

I’ve recently tried some ritual for love(the one targeting a specific person, not completing it) from Damon Brand, and some evocations for the same matter from the Union of Power by Archer.
What i found out is that while i felt more energetic, also some of those women i used to see for study now basically ignore me more then before.
While till some months ago they talked to me and were like “this guy ignores us, why is he?”.
Now that i’m way more open when i look at them they just get away their eyesights.
I’m a very shy person, and most of time i don’t talk to women and ignore them.
Maybe this sudden change in myself destabilize them?
Or there is something in my aura?
Or simply i appear as the strange incoherent guy?
(Or the magick isn’t working either)

Nice people, tend to like nice people. Women believe it or not are people.

What does that even mean…

Ah yes, the wonderful “zone” of pretending to be someone’s friend and viewing them as a person, when you are really just viewing them as a potential conquest.

Yes, we like knowing you are a real person. Predators abound.

No.

???

People are not numbers and attraction/value are relative.

Women, like most people, appreciate when other people are genuine and interact with them openly and honestly. This includes showing vulnerability and not hiding behind a tough exterior. It is far more impressive when men, who have been conditioned not to express certain emotions, communicate them to us anyways. Pretending you are not a “weak man” with ups and downs and the full range of human emotions is not impressive, its frustrating and transparent.

I have no doubt that you can follow all of Titan’s advice and have sex. You could also just be yourself and have sex. You do not have to pretend to be a “gentlemen of the darkness” or whatever. Plenty of women like nice guys, even shy ones.

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A bit exaggerating here.

Never found one.

Union of Power evocations by Henry Archer and also tried to perform the first ritual(the one for a specific target) from Magickal Seduction by Damon Brand, but not completed it so next moon i’ll try again.

I’m extroverted with people in general but not with women i find cute.
Words just don’t get out of my mouth. For a lot of reasons and doubts.
Two years of covid lockdown worsened my social skills and made more depressive.

Yeah I know, sexual “marketplace” in the western societies is broken.
Me not having pourpose, motivation and self-esteem surely do not help.
I’d like to try tinder only to release accumulated sexual tension a bit, but it’s embarassing and i could be judged by people who knows me.

I also used to write some rap songs years ago, but i quit. I’ve always had this negative aura around me making me feel “you’re not enough”.

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Bruh :skull_and_crossbones:

That’s because “nice” is literally the bare minimum that qualifies someone as a human being worthy of interacting with.

Do women like shy guys? Yeah, plenty. As an extreme extrovert, I prefer introverts.

Being a self-appointed “nice guy” usually means that person is not nice at all. Someone who hangs around women and puts on a show of showering them with praise and hanging off them for attention, all while silently seething that their “niceness” is not being rewarded.

I see people fall into the trap of considering themself “nice guys”, by which they mean they will literally break their own spine bending over backwards in an attempt to appeal to women, any woman, please, god, just let women pay attention to me, I have a girlfriend-shaped hole in my life and any woman will do :cry:

Emotionally healthy women are generally disgusted by servility and neediness, which is anecdotally exactly what the self-proclaimed title of “nice guy” seems to mean nowadays. If you are genuinely kind, respectful, pleasant to speak with, have good manners and hygiene, and actually understand that humans are individuals, I would consider that meeting the definition of “nice” as a bare minimum personality characteristic.

Wanna understand and improve? Maybe time for some shadow work and introspection to figure out what makes you “nice”.

Maybe because you are staring at them and it makes them uncomfortable.

Actual nice guys don’t think of women as objects to be bought, sold, traded, or haggled over in a marketplace :slight_smile: :+1: hope that helps

Shadow work can help with this. May I suggest Belial or Leviathan?

Nice guys don’t send weird creepy messages. If you are familiar with reddit, may I suggest the /r/niceguys subreddit for some great examples of what NOT to do?

Definitely sounds like you need some shadow work.

Also, this:

Best of luck buddy

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So many wrong assumptions (about a person you don’t even know) which I’ll obviously not respond.
Y’all triggered here, i’m out.

Great, I do so love having the last word. :blush:

I encourage you to look inward with the help of spirits specialising in shadow-work. I wish you the best on your journey. :wave: :four_leaf_clover:

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Just a friendly reminder, folks, to please keep this topic to discussion of the magick, and the possible cause for the effects described in the OP, and not get into gender politics, which is against the rules of the forum.

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I’d suggest avoiding the PUA community, as I’ve never seen someone in it that has a healthy and happy relationship.

I recommend getting a book called “Mystical Words of Power” by Damon Brand and using the Part 1 Rituals. That can be extremely life changing.

If you’re new, I can understand if you don’t want more books. I’d suggest praying to an appropriate goddess daily to be blessed with love, and for these things to be revealed to you. Always speak with your heart and with love and joy. Communing with the goddess you call upon should be a joyful thing.

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Women generally aren’t big on fragile egos either.

Seconded. I have only started working with Freya and had to pause before we could really move forward, but she came to me pretty quickly in dream. @Caesar I would recommend her, if you are looking for a deity to guide you.

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How do i evoke her or pagan gods?

Generally you don’t evoke gods, you simply call to them and speak to them, similar to how Christians pray to their god or angels or saints. However, never underestimate this manner of communication, it can be just as powerful as full evocation.

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One thing: usually you would give a gift to the gods, however. You could take a cider, and when you call you Freya (I would alternatively recommend Frigg, but Freya is wonderful) you would tell them at the end of your prayer that the cider is a gift to them, and then pour it onto the ground as a sacrifice to them. Otherwise, you can leave it in a bowl for a few hours or until a day has passed, and then pour it onto ground or down the drain.

This is likely not going to be viable to do it every time if you pray daily. So, offer gifts occasionally when you can.
You can alternatively give milk, or food items.

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Germanic deities were communicated with outside as opposed to in churches/indoor temples, so I put together a bundle of flowers and herbs for Freya and decorated it with her name in runes. I imbued it with my intent using visualisation, sigils, magic oils, and candle magic, and buried it in the woods by a creek. I sat for a while and meditated, reaching my mind out to her. She came to me in dream two weeks later.

Freya had come to me before in dream though; if there is another deity that you feel pulled to, that could be a good option as well. If you keep an altar, you could make a space for them. That would be a good place to:

Many deities have correspondences and traditional offerings, but I like using my intuition and creativity too. A certain item might just seem appropriate, or the deity might show you that that they want something in particular. Music, artwork, exercise, etc., are wonderful offerings as well.

Sexual energy can be a good offering and I imagine most most love/sex deities would especially appreciate it. Just make sure you’re getting back what you are giving and seeing real results/guidance/intervention.

EDIT: there is no need to special order herbs/flowers/spices/incense etc. that are not readily available to you. You can use what you have and what grows in your area, just make it special and imbue it with intention.

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On the Norse side, in the Völsa þáttr, the family is depicted praying to their “god” within their home, so that implies it was not uncommon for the heathens to worship the gods inside their homes as well. I used to do my prayers outside but nowadays tend to pray inside instead, although simply because I have my candle there undisturbed by the wind.
So, however you like is fine.

If you can be in a space that is of the same or similar nature to the god or goddess you are calling on, that is preferred, but otherwise any place is fine.

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I had no idea. Thank you for sharing that :slight_smile:

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By the way Caesar I need to remind you of one thing. This particular subject matter, that of love magick…tends to attract the highest amount of moralizing out of all types of Magick there is on this forum and elsewhere. So before you give in to outside pressure…lemme just say this. If you choose to kneecap your Magickal arsenal in this area in order to appease the morality standards of others…remember that when the dust settles and your magick potentially fails due to lack of ferocity, no one here will come to warm your bed as a consolation prize. Not them, and certainly not me. So do what thou wilt.

I say evoke Ladilok and work with her to dominate your targets mind, body and soul. gg no re

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I’ve also had some spells that seem to yield the exact opposite, and I have to admit I haven’t got to the bottom of why, but what I did do, was try a different spell… I didn’t repeat the nonworking spell for that goal.

I’m not sure if you’re saying you did target spells on all these women or just one?

I think it’s a good idea to pick one and then layer in general attraction spells, and not split the “love me” thing to multiple women.
If it was just a “sex me up” thing, then that works much better split than love, imo. Women in love hate to feel like you’re not serious and are looking at other women, and can see you as a player, even if they aren’t consciously aware of why, so you want to avoid that energy. Never forget all humans are somewhat telepathic and empathic, and can sense more than you realise, especially if you are a strong sender of energy, which highly sexual men can sometimes be.

But we do like to see other women looking at you, while you only have eyes for us. This increases your social standing and makes you appear more attractive while letting us feel secure enough to trust you, and trusting you is hot. :slight_smile: Meanwhile, lack of trust is a turn off.

If you are going for Player mode, I’d say go for the sexual attraction with Sitri type thing, not love, and you might like to try Furfur for cloaking your magickal activities so your intentions are not so easily sensed.

No i targeted only a specific one.
But i also asked Ipos and Hageenti to make me less anxious and self-confident.
Maybe that’s the problem?

Shouldn’t be, confidence is attractive. But, as noted above, there’s a line between being confident and being creepy, and sometime, nothing you can do can help what a woman decides is which. If she likes you, it’s sexy, if she’s not attracted to you, the exact same thing is creepy.

So from here, sound like they kinda liked being ignored, maybe because it made you mysterious and safe, but now instead of totally ignoring them, act like you could take it or leave it, while being all charming and “high value”, casually hold doors open and smile but look away and don’t hold eye contact much (that’s aggressive, which is great when she’s already into it but risky if she’s not yet). then when they flirt with you that’s when you use your new confidence to not ignore them.

So I’s say, do an attraction spell on yourself to make you approachable and non threatening, as well as interesting and a catch, and make them want to come over and say hi. When they come to you then that’s your opportunity to meet them in that space, say something nice and her style or something and ask her to dinner.