[quote=“Euoi, post:17, topic:3047”]Exactly. The spirits will want you to get initiated if they desire for you to know them better. It will happen if they want it.
In Quimbanda at least, you can be initiated without being a Tata. Same goes for Santeria. I’m not sure about voodoo.
Also one thing you cannot do as a non initiate is bargain. You basically have no authority or right to do so that the spirits will recognize. You can give them offerings a nd politely ask, but you have zero guarantee anything will be done. Initiation is recognized by the spirits.
Tatas, houngans, olorishas etc. Can also read for you, to find out who’s in your spiritual court. Otherwise it’s just hit and miss. Though, I will say the Pomba Giras I was attracted to when I read Frisvold’s, a number of them were in my court. But not all of them.[/quote]in Santeria you don’t really bargain with the Orisha. There’s no guess work involved either. The client sits at the mat and gives the consultant. The prayers are said the client put the shells to their mouth and asks what they want to know. The Santero throws the shells and depending on how they land tells you what Odu you are dealing with. It’s a story that talks about the situation your going through at that time. I know it’s real because I’ve gotten at least 40 to 50 readings through the years and they always talk about the problem I needed to fix. Now then the Santero asks if you are coming in a positive state or a negative state. That also depends on what you should expect. With that comes the Ebbo. The ebbo is what you can do to fix the problem and make things go in your favor. With the odu is a list of ebbos to do that will fix the problem. The Santero then asks is this what you want? Yes or no. You can bargain in a sense that you will ask for the small stuff first. Oh and the Odus tell you what Orisha is standing up to defend you. Like 9 times out of 10 if your haveing money or love issues Ochun is the one that stands up to defend you. I like Santeria Ocha Palo and Ifa because they are a set structure of doing things that get results. Not just guess work like ok let me get this herb and that put the persons name in a jar and bam they’re in love with me. Hoodoo has worked for me on some occasions but I would never rely on it to fix seriouse situations in my life. Like if have a serious court case in going to Orula to fix my problem. I’m not playing any games when it comes to my life.