[quote=“Baphomet, post:28, topic:3066”][quote=“Lady Eva, post:27, topic:3066”]What I’m most curious about, off the back of this, is why spirits sometimes give us words to use, in circles or spells or otherwise, that we don’t understand?
I’ve had this, it began about 7 years ago and I’ve only had a small handful of things, but some I managed to decode using Google translate, others are still completely meaningless to me, and asking spirits, they tend to just say to use the words as given, and don’t worry.
So, it doesn’t seem to be the case that they want us to hit the books and learn these languages, for example.
I’m curious what anyone thinks on this (and excellent replies by the way, thanks to everyone who’s contributing, I’m learning a lot and getting own ideas clarified by it all!).[/quote]
This is merely speculation but perhaps they wish for you to expand your knowledge beyond what you see or feel is necessary. Maybe they’re leading you to a greater understanding of something but wish for you to “prove your worthiness” so to speak by taking the extra mile or two and decode something. Its like they say; nothing worth doing is ever easy.[/quote]
To be honest, I try to be a historical re constructionist to some degree with ancient sorcery, because those that trained me in it, told me in my youth, that if I was serious to embark upon this path, I would go about learning 2 or 3 ancient languages (“AT LEAST”) to help decipher manuscripts, and put together our practice.
Although E.A. is very good at channeling content, I and others have been keen to point out certain implications of the content and the rituals he’s published in the context of ancient history of magick. This point is something he let me know, is something many people remind him of who are true scholars.
However, what I was informed by the most learned sorcerers in the priesthood of certain organizations, that if I was truly serious…I was to think it’s a necessary part of this JUST AS MUCH AS PRACTICING MAGICK. In my own experience, that’s how important this has been to me. However, it fits into my interest of pouring through ancient documents and learning ancient history, for more than just a desire to bitch slap Christians in the face. This is something I started doing as a child, something my family inspired deep interest in me to learn.
But for some, it is clearly not the path and many don’t believe in such practices. That’s fine, if you want to help me covet all the wisdom, knowledge, and power for myself, that’s cool too.
I think however, that the ancients in particular were incredibly adept at sorcery, and often masters of protecting their craft from being mastered by outsiders to be used against them, or it being abused for child’s play and causing real harm.
This is as much about decoding what the hell you’re trying to do, as it is about following something to the letter. People like Madam Blavatsky were notorious for filling in the gaps of historically sourced material with divination and other practices…We confirm our divinations with history, rather than history with out divinations. If you don’t understand why, you’re missing the point.
Unless I feel it has been delivered to me via incredible gnosis, I don’t feel that’s a very substantial means of historical proof, because even the most gifted individuals are limited to some degree in being 100% reliable.
I will also say, some of the most shocking conclusions I have ever come to in gnosis, are still things I’ve been able to type into google and find something, even if what I type in is the only part of the mystery I will find. If this is a mystery I feel I have uncovered in the world (like one I delivered to E.A.), it will simultaneously unveil itself in a universe, if to be the only part of the mystery that reveals itself as confirmation. It’s the nature of the universe. I don’t understand it, but I’ve heard it revealed to me by numerous sorcerers, who would even INVENT spirits to call upon, once they called them into the world for workings, they found their names, no matter how strange, would pop up unexpectedly and work their way into TV or their lives in ways that would boggle their mind. If you work with it, you should fucking expect to find shit on it in your life, and the only reason you won’t is if you turn a blind eye to it. It will be there if you really look for it, and sometimes some really weird shit may be really hard to confirm, and requires you to embark upon almost a sort of path working to decode it and gain the “truth of the mysteries and power” and all that stuff. But sometimes the best fruits are at the top of the tree, and this is the true essence of this whole magickal path.
I will also say, some of the most respected practitioners of ancient sorcery will ridicule you for being an idiot, and doing exactly what spirit tells you to do always, some of these ancient gods have trickster qualities, that may give you something which if you were to use it seriously you’d definitely be on a path to madness. Such individuals were keen to remind me, there’s enough on the internet at this point, that you could spend a few hours at most and be able to verify these claims they make via google. The internet has become full of spiritualists who practice, and is perhaps a bigger meeting ground than many have in Western society to find other magicians, especially those willing to reveal their own practices, so this isn’t a bad place to look for most of it. But for the man who has a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Sometimes, you won’t even find it there at all, and you need to keep your eyes open in your own life for something that might come up that you really don’t expect.
Best of Luck,
-Frater Apotheosis
