[quote=“Baphomet, post:11, topic:3066”]I’ve never had a Goetic complain about me calling them by the Abrahamic methods. If they don’t like it they should have never signed their name/seal in the Liber Spirituum in times past. Most of the complaints I get us that I disturbed them and they would rather me cut out the pleasant and get to the point so I can dismiss them and they can go on about getting the job done and then back to w/e they were doing.
However, I will say that the Grimoire Tradition methods take away their free will. So if they come across a magician that uses a more modern method that allows the spirit to actually say no to a request, of course they’ll do everything in their power to try and make sure said magician always uses that method. Wouldn’t you? Furthermore, I don’t think you find many, kd any, classical magicians who will report that they had a complaint about the methods used. They signed their name and agreed to come when called using specific methods. If they really don’t like it they have no one to blame but themselves.[/quote]
In the end, you are removing more than the spirit’s free will, but you are removing the greatest possibility for it to manifest it’s own nature, and that’s what this is really about.
Why don’t you pay $200 dollars to E.A. just to have him tell you there isn’t a method of coercing a spirit other than your own will. This is why you need to have knowledge of your own divinity and power to control the experience and not have some of the most incredibly powerful and volatile spiritual manifestations (composed purely of consciousness and omnipotence) destroy you outright. The only preparation for contacting such spirits, is successive gnosis from previous evocation until one knows one’s own divinity and can claim it in the circle…If you use circles at all that is. Many here including myself don’t really use them. I bought the universal circle, and until I understood it’s true purpose, I loathed it’s existence the way someone loathes putting gasoline into a hybrid car.
Unlike Koetting, I firmly believe that you can’t just throw down symbols and manifest all their powers with no understanding of what they mean. Aside from the relative power of some very ancient languages, I find this to be very arbitrary for you to expect to call upon a being who is in some cases older than time and the universe, and have it manifest it’s nature in particular ways, because you put down a symbol, the nature of which you don’t fully understand because it was something you saw in a book 5 minutes before your ritual. If you of course, even understand what it means, and have any recognition of it’s power at all. Franz Bardon agrees with me on the greater particulars of the points I’m making about the circle, and I’m not just pulling this out of my asshole to look good.
However, I will admit, this is not 100% true, but this deals with “ancestral memories” in DNA, and it has to deal with how certain forms of omnipotence change genes over successive contact specifically over thousands of years and hundreds of generations, which somehow gets mistaken for racism. Then the discussion will invariably lead to unjustly dropping of the race card, or a discussion of Hitler and or National Socialism. None of these options interest me slightly…So let’s save ourselves the time and not go there. This is BALG, let’s not turn it into storm front.
If you think you can truly explore the potential of these practices in ritual by the manner of willy nilly slapping down random symbols of power and constraining the powers of your greatest allies by pissing them off, I’d like to sell you a super elite secret “hokey pokey binding” for the universal circle, after you perform this rite which constrains the spirits, you will find it will force all spirits to suck your dick and give you money forever and ever, and you’ll win at all things including art, irony, and leet magix and become an ultimate god.
It is for sale for over $9000. PM me for my paypal if your interested. I will only teach one person because I will leave the forum after accepting the money. (I am only willing to barter for depraved sexual acts with women on this forum.)
I had a friend who explained this through one of the famous beings of the necronomicon, and one of the famous blinds that’s written in the book about it. A lot of sorcerers think that spirit is incredibly harmful, and willing to destroy the sorcerer if not constrained or if the sorcerer is not properly protected. However, this is not the nature of the entity at all, but if the sorcerer calls on it, and expects this to show up, that’s exactly what he will manifest. And he will also find it thoroughly useless to what he probably wants to achieve, which is not being destroyed by the spirit, but claiming his throne of godliness.
Best of Luck,