With you to a point but everything should be approached intellectually. Fight stupid with stupider?
No, thatâs not what I mean. one sec
I meant specifically the problem of the incels/whatever should not be dismissed with an intellectual argument.
It can be understood with intellect, like âyou have this population here, and their biological impulse is an issue and will be an issue.â Because it is.
What Iâm saying is you shouldnât consider the problem as just an argument about âentitlementâ, âconsentâ. Because ultimately this is a thing which exists: action and power supersede theory.
Imagine if an invading army was rushing toward a city, and instead of preparing, the officials just handed out pamphlets to everyone about the ethics of war, and how the invading army is stupid or cringe or something. And everyone just laughed.
This is an extreme example, an exaggeration, but logically consistent with dismissing the incel issue with âtheyâre wrongâ ethics.
Itâs porn logic. When everything else has been done to death, you eventually turn on your family members.
It should be allowed to work itself out, not artificially reduced. If we go that route then we might as well exterminate anyone with genetic disorders or sub par IQ levels and as satisfying as that would be to get one over on all the annoying people through something like that, in practice it is rather well messy and impractical especially long term. I am sure you can see how something like that can death spiral out of control. That is my main qualm there.
âThe way of a fool is right in his own eyesâ
I was thinking about embryo for the record, not camps.
Are you willing to except other forms of genetic modification then? If you are going to allow that it is only fair to allow full customization options. Optimize genetics in all areas.
Yes. Regardless, I do believe it is also inevitable due to the incentive.
Plus arenât we sort of doing this anyway with magick?
Yes but magick and âscienceâ do not tend to always agree and since our society is dominated by materialistic thought well the point it would go through is obvious but they tend to balk at a lot of stuff for reasons.
Having gone from clueless incel to âFucking Douchebag⌠(âŚwith a heart)â I can definitely say thereâs a distribution curve. Generally speaking yes, 70% or so of men canât get laid without a girlfriend. The way nature wired us based on evolution is the most geneticly fit (exciting, has absolutely nothing to do with how objectively amazing you are. Sorry fellas, bark up the right tree and youâll stand out. If I could figure it out anyone can.)
20% of guys are having 80% of the sex. Thereâs a top 5% or so that screams âscumbagâ that is too much to even have relationships. Theyâre the sort of guy girls will think about in their last days in the nursing home and smile remembering how delicious it was experiencing them. (Try to incorperate just a touch of this into your vibe and youâll be amazed.) . The dude who is covered with tattoos, has piercings, screams âedgyâ and generally just doesnât give a fuck âŚat all, really gives a lot of fucks.
This is the dude who has a revolving door of one night stands all the time. This guy might hit it maybe 3 times before sheâs gone becuase itâs downright emotionally dangerous to open up to him. Itâs fun⌠Not my tastes though but if you can go here for a bit itâs like âgoing proâ in anything. Girls know exactly what theyâre getting into when they meet this guy and heâs the one their family will NEVER get to hear about.
I like a touch of that with a bit more âboyfriend potentialâ thrown in. I really really like deep connection with women who have incredible souls and that doesnât mix well when you find out you were actually used for sex by a girl youâre falling in love with (high quality problem but dammit it really is an actual problemâŚ)
I think most Incels get stuck in the mind of âgiving to getâ and when itâs not reciprocated with the currency they assume should work they get angry. Itâs a big day when one realizes that a touch of selfishness (read: dignity, and valuing your time/resources as they should be) makes you much more attractive because people treat you how you train them to. Any time I give now itâs without expectation because sex and seduction is a different game entirely. (This is the key to being the guy strippers hang with who doesnât really pay for a damn thing while some other dude who maybe got a kiss on the cheek after spending $40k on them gets mad. Poor dude. His own fault though. Different currencies, different exchanges.)
Iâm an extreme example (relatively speaking) but the perspective shift is enormous.
If someone is really looking to up their game and value to women they encounter try this on for a bit: Give a damn about your appearance, REALLY get involved with your personal mission in life, treat women like women (not as a goal or conquest to check off), donât assume theyâre any greater or less than you (just like spirits, lot to do with duality here), and use a bit of respectful authority.
âŚoddly I took to magick really well because I used so many of the same principles in my dating life already. Everything in existence appreciates mutual respect and the vibe you go into anything with is critical to success. I like being the fun dude theyâre going to have a wild time with, who has something bigger than them going on, who is mindful about their emotional investment and keeping the right frame set (be carefulâŚ), who is a good friend if life gets rough, yet Iâm nobodyâs emotional tampon because my boundaries are very clear and stated whenever nessecary.
Know that it has nothing to do with your income, intelligence, character, or anything youâd ever use to say âwtf?! Iâm so much better than that guy!â Because nature responds to something else. Your masculinity and their experience of it is the only thing that matters. Whatâs great is itâs something you can improve. You donât ever need to be the loud annoying, needy self proclaimed âalpha maleâ either to do it. Confidence, will, and as I always say with any result âoutcome independanceâ will make it happen.
/End rant on how to not Incel from a former incel turned âŚsomething else
Try my thing out. No porn, and no getting off without a woman or a ritutal. When you get the itch go hit up cute girls. Let it drive you and sooner or later youâll find yourself wondering how youâre the guy who actually made some bored womanâs day. Could probably make your magick better too.
I believe i was guided to stop porn. Out of no where my gf wasnt ok with it. And everytime i go to watch it i think âdont waste your energyâ. Idk the science of it but i took this as a sign and stopped masturbating
Society does not in any way affect individuals, you think?
Humans are not owed anything but we all want various things, and have a right to feel peeved when the conscious acts of others, artificially normalised and promoted, affect our access to them.
You admit pornâs addictive, but act like people have a freewill choice, when society busts a gasket trying to pretend itâs not?
A job awaits you at Perdue my friendâŚ
Like drugs, people will see they can draw people in too deep and stop, yeah this is totally how things work. Seriously!
Itâs become like the end game, into which pretty much all commerical femdom porn now leads. No way is it a coincidence.
Agreed, this entire forum is basically about people wanting stuff life has not readily delivered, âentitlementâ is a weird argument for anyone who thinks a society is responsible for creating reasonable conditions for all its members.
Agreed, and there are some fantastically creepy, MKULTRA-esque techniques employed in a lot of them. I stumbled onto a video once under the guise of a âhands-free orgasmâ that had the starring woman giving instructions to visualize a red and a black cable connecting your brain and dick, and then to imagine cutting them (because severing chakras is totally worth it for the momentary pleasure, apparently).
Doing some further poking around uncovered something called âBambi Sleepâ which is a set of freely spread, professionally-made hypnosis recordings intended to install an alternate personality of a âbimboâ into your mind and then bring her to life: the anecdotal reports I read from people who tried it listed experiences of random memory loss, being in constant mental fog, and obsession with oneâs distorted sexual drive to the point where the alternate personality essentially becomes a tulpa whom youâve given complete control over your body.
Iâm almost inspired to get a random woman pregnant tonight just to stick it to whoever is pushing this agenda
Lady E I think heâs implyinâ that the incels will just die off and the gene pool will sort itself out if we do nothing, not even talking about the issue of porn
Fucking hell thatâs creepy, never heard of it before. Iâve seen bimbofication fetish (sp? ainât googling that shit) mentioned but not this.
Never knew we had so many genocide-enthusiasts on the forum.
People do this by their own free will. They go in wanting to get mind fucked and so they do. If someone puts up enough resistance it is not going to really work especially if they have worked with altered states before. I can induce such just feeding energy through chakras or inducing a walking dream through imagination and biofeedback. Ive tried audio that recreates the effects of many drugs and most just do nothing for me but knock regular people on their ass. These same with a little instruction and will to resist are quickly able to become immune to them.
Ultimately if people wish that bad to mod their minds then let them. That same force of will and biofeedback can effectively block out most influences or reverse their course as well. It is when someone chooses it fully or in part that it still has a hold instead of them being able to indulge however they wish and revert their state. The mind is extremely flexible once prepared.
Afterall it isnât like such modifications have been around for millennia under the guise of various occult practices and casting spirits real or imagined into others. Someone wants it bad enough they will find a way whether through technology or insanity.
Do people exist entirely outside society then?
Creepy, but fascinating. Could have some really interesting applications ( on others of course ). Thinking along the lines of subliminal advertising
Indeed that is fascinating. To some extent I can see why Christians says that you porn in hell for indulgence in porn.
Edit: Didnât mean porn in hell, but hey I keep it for the pun.
Ultimately if people wish that bad to mod their minds then let them.
Donât get me wrong, Iâm not saying we should think of the children and ban all pornography, but it seems pretty clear that there is an agenda at work that is pushing specific types of pornography for various reasons, and perhaps looking into the identity and motivations of those behind this agenda would benefit those of us who like looking at pixels of naked people online.