Christians Might Be Deceived


#1

Christians Might Be Deceived…

A number of videos and articles relate to how supposed mystics had visions of Jesus and so or so people suffering in Hell… I know it’s irrelevant to Buddhists, Hindus or Satanists but when it comes to Christians… It might actually matter to them. Here’s why…

I know for a fact many, many Christians live the way they want (premarital sex, multiple partners, drugs, drunkenness, abortion(s), adultery etc.) and really believe they’ll be saved by Jesus and will miraculously go to Heaven right after they die. Is that so? Is their god (Yahweh, Jesus, the Holy Ghost) so forgiving and easy-going?

The god of the Old Testament, Yahweh, is known to be one jealous and vengeful god. What about the god of the New Testament, Jesus? Some imply Jesus is all love and none will go to Hell since Jesus died for everyone’s sins but… Those familiar enough with the Bible know Jesus did not only criticize and reject Satan but warned people against Hellfire more than once! Jesus even said the road to Heaven is quite tiny and found by few unlike the road to perdition that is vast, large and found by many

Does it really make sense for all those Christians to really believe Jesus will save them? They might be in for a bad surprise…

This is why I believe it would make more sense for them all to be Theistic Satanists, for instance, renounce Christianity and its gods, and fully devote themselves to Satan. They’d have a better shot at salvation that way. Seriously…

I’m now going to list a number of celebrities to explain myself some more since everyone knows them.

Take Whitney Houston, for instance. She started out a a gospel singer and until her very last days professed a love for Jesus. ‘Jesus Loves Me’ is one of the last songs she performed onstage. But her life was drug-ridden to the core… Cocaine was found in her system during her autopsy. She served two gods (Drugs & Jesus) at once…

This person named Linda claims Jesus told her her own parents, grandmother and Whitney are in Hell right now…
Linda’s vision of Whitney Houston and her own parents in hell!

Rihanna… She tweeted her love for Jah several times (on Good Friday and on other occasions). She even once insulted Satan Himself on Twitter: https://twitter.com/rihanna/status/164587590828298241
Yet… Look what she just offered the music world: Rihanna - Pour It Up (Explicit) Nice video… I love it but many see it as porn… Rihanna serves two Masters…

Britney Spears was pictured going to church on Sundays at least twice this year but look at this: Britney Spears - Work B**ch This vid was deemed so racy that it got limited airplay in the UK… She definitely serves two Masters too…

Lil Wayne also claims to be a Christian but see this: Lil Wayne - Love Me (Explicit) ft. Drake, Future This video and song literally glorify free sex, hardcore drug intake and partying with lots of “bitches” and “hos” that can be summoned on demand… Two Masters…

And I could go on and on… I have no problem with those vids! I’m just saying Jesus not only mentioned Hell several times… He also stated one cannot serve two Masters (Yahweh & Mammon) at once…

This is why I believe it makes more sense for those that opt for the sex/party/leisure lifestyle to choose Satanism, rather than practice Christianity in hopes of being saved…
Also… You’ll notice that according to some Catholic writings, there is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church. But countless non-Catholic sources will tell you that NO, Catholicism leads to Hell because of its Paganism, worship of Saints, Mary, the papacy, non-Biblical doctrines etc.

And some Christian denominations that observe the Original Sabbath on Saturdays will tell you all those Christians, whether Catholic or not, will go to Hell because of Sunday (Sun God) worship… Some other followers of Jesus will tell you people should not even go to any church because of certain Biblical verses that forbade that. So, all Christians will be damned?! lol
I’m stunned to see how some billions of folks so fervently believe in that farce known as Christianity… That might actually be their undoing.


#2

There is also the fact that the Abrahamic Faiths have a general monopoly on ‘western’ civilization, by that I mean from the middle east onwards all the way to Europe and then most of the Americas and parts of Africa. So people who grow up in it are kind of fed it from birth, like North Korean Propaganda. Worship the dear Leader aka (God) and all that. Its so deeply embedded in the culture that you can’t tear it out just like that.

Still, one can’t deny that the followers of the Abrahamic Faiths have some of the most hypocritical humans around in it. They commit ill doings day in and day out then say their messiah/deity will forgive them, and start the same cycle the over and over. Someone should go evoke Yahweh and Allah experiment watching those two smite their own believers, now that will be damned funny because those two are so thirsty for the sacrifice of blood~

But I think Satanism is just another facet of the Abrahamic Faith paradigm, just only in opposition to the so-called ‘values’ that they hold.

Not to mention, we already know how Abrahmaic faiths like to convert everyone else and ‘punish’ the non-believers.

Buddhists, Hindus, Taoists, Shinto, etc all have their problems but they generally aren’t as fervent in their attempts to ‘spread the faith’ as the eastern way is more inclined personal enlightenment (generalizing, unfortunately), you save yourself, not some weird messiah figure.


#3

Tbh I ignore the Abrahamics these days - I’ve got my own life to live an am a lot a happier for it.

Let them have a miserable life being told by their (often corrupt) priests to do this and that and not to do this and that in a vain hope of gaining their ticket to paradise/heaven/whatever.


#4

how does this matter? the paradigm is bullshit anyway, so who the fuck cares? Does pondering whether or not Christians are hypocritical serve any purpose?

My advice is to brain-douche(deprogram) and move on to something more productive to think about. or Just go to JoS and leave this forum behind. Post something productive or get the fuck out.


#5

First let me say I am NOT a Christian nor am I defending them. However there is a problem with your statement. Not everyone who goes around doing all kinds of heinous acts are Christian. Even those that claim to be Christian and still do horrible things may not really be Christian. Just because someone says they are something doesn’t mean its true. For example; I am the Grand Poobah of India. Do you believe me? Probably not. Even if one goes to church and acknowledges the Abrahamic God’s existence does not make them Christian. One must follow the teachings of the Bible and believe it with all their heart to be considered a Christian. If this is the case you won’t find many real Christians committing all kinds of crazy acts.


#6

No, Kokuto’s statement is correct. They said “some of the most hypocritical humans around in it”. The key word is some… They did not say “all”, but “some” and that is fairly accurate.

Let me give you an example of what hypocrisy is… I read several times over the years that Russia is a country where abortion as birth control was and is still very much practised.

Some facts on Russia: more abortions than births per year, a large percentage of woman having had anywhere from 5 to 7 abortions, teenagers waiting until their 3rd trimester to abort.

Yet, Vladimir Putin is blaming homosexuality for a decrease in birth rates in Russia, and his Orthodox Church-influenced govt. recently passed draconian anti-gay laws that led to assault, torture and even murder of many LGBTs including minors. Russian authorities are doing nothing to capture, arrest, try and punish those perpetrators, many of whom filmed themselves committing those attacks, then posted everything online.

Graphic images:
http://www.thegailygrind.com/2013/08/06/gay-teenager-kidnapped-and-tortured-by-russian-neo-nazi-group-is-believed-to-have-died-from-his-injuries-video/

Heard of the situation in France?! Ever since a bill allowing same-sex marriage and adoption of children by same-sex couples was announced, hundreds of thousands of anti-equality folks haven’t stopped RIOTING & RIOTING like crazy!

France Adopts Marriage Equality
"Christian, Muslim, and Jewish religious leaders as well as conservative politicians supported the demonstrations against legalizing same-sex marriage."
http://harvardpolitics.com/world/france-adopts-marriage-equality-why-it-sparked-so-much-debate/

I’m Canadian and I never ever saw such a thing in Canada when the same LGBT rights were made legal in 2005. Not even once! And I live in a very populous city.

But in France! A completely different story. I know non-believers and people of other faiths might also be anti-equality but a very huge number of protesters belong(ed) to the Abrahamic religions.

Now, there are mayors refusing to officiate same-sex weddings, even though it’s now fully legal! Same-sex couples affected by such illegal refusal must now take those mayors to court!

I understand many Christians are in fact pro-equality. There are even some pro-equality Christian Churches. We’re not saying ALL Christians are automatically bigoted and anti-equality but it’s an undeniable fact that a very, very, very HUGE number of Christians around the world oppose equality.

I see anti-equality and anti-gay comments all the time, every single day, and many of such comments refer to homosexuality as a sin and an abomination.

Just watch this video and you’ll see how homosexuality is demonized explicitly because of words from the Bible… It’s just one example that represents hundreds of more videos online…
Lady Gaga - Applause | satanic symbolism and fame obsession

These links also condemn homosexuality because of words from the Bible. A few links that represent thousands of online articles:
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/doctrine/homosexuality-and-the-bible-lgbt-gay-marriage.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/homosexuality_is_a_sin.htm

I was told some Biblical verses against homosexuality might be mistranslations or simply taken out of the cultural context of the time… Still! It doesn’t change the fact that most people that read such passages see those as clear condemnations of homosexuality.

Passages by Apostle Paul (in the New Testament) were explicit enough, and appeared to condemn both lesbianism & male homosexuality. Some say he was only referring to temple prostitution… And what about the verses that referred to females?

I’m sorry but one needs to be very naive to believe Paul was only referring to male shrine prostitutes…

Romans 1
New International Version

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.

20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

King James Bible

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

GOD’S WORD® Translation

18God’s anger is revealed from heaven against every ungodly and immoral thing people do as they try to suppress the truth by their immoral living. 19What can be known about God is clear to them because he has made it clear to them.

20From the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly observed in what he made. As a result, people have no excuse. 21They knew God but did not praise and thank him for being God. Instead, their thoughts were pointless, and their misguided minds were plunged into darkness. 22While claiming to be wise, they became fools. 23They exchanged the glory of the immortal God for statues that looked like mortal humans, birds, animals, and snakes.

24For this reason God allowed their lusts to control them. As a result, they dishonor their bodies by sexual perversion with each other. 25These people have exchanged God’s truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!

26For this reason God allowed their shameful passions to control them. Their women have exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27Likewise, their men have given up natural sexual relations with women and burn with lust for each other. Men commit indecent acts with men, so they experience among themselves the punishment they deserve for their perversion.

You see! According to ALL translations, it’s really what Apostle Paul wrote. More translations here: http://biblehub.com/romans/1-27.htm

Some told me Apostle Paul was not so reliable, wrote those words a long time after Jesus was crucified and so on… The thing is many, many, numerous Christians believe the Bible is God’s Word, even if written by men.

Granted, there are lots of Biblical rules and admonishments Christians no longer follow but anything related to homosexuality still applies to them… Of course!


#7

Oh blah blah.

What the fuck are you gonna do about it instead of complain? Are you offering any solutions to the problems? The Russian kid in the video was selling his fifteen year old body to an older man. That’s not met with a high five in America or Russia, I don’t know about Canada though.

You keep writing a lot of words and yet you say a lot of nothing.

I hope you realize that homosexuals fighting against religious freedom because they want to be married in a Christian ceremony (which, is against that specific religion) is rather silly. If churches don’t want to marry two men or women, it’s their choice. They are practising their form of their religion and that’s perfectly legal. The homosexuals can go elsewhere to be a blasphemy in a religion that doesn’t want them.

But let me reiterate, what are your proposed solutions and how do you plan to enact these solutions?


#8

The LGBT is not asking to marry in Christian Churches… Where the Hell did you get that idea from? They want CIVIL marriage (and marriage in Churches that are OKAY with their stance) but opponents to equality do not care if it’s CIVIL weddings in courthouses. They believe civil same-sex unions shall be forbidden too and would only “ruin the fabrics of today’s society”!

Talk about hypocrisy! How many heterosexual couples end(ed) up in a divorce? Even Jesus spoke out against divorce but many Christians won’t take notice…

Also, marriage pre-dates Christianity! Marriage is not a solely Christian institution…

In Canada, same-sex marriage is legal and not one Roman Catholic parish will officiate a same-sex wedding. LGBTs go to ANY civil courthouses or specific gay-friendly Churches in order to get married. Any willing licensed minister can wed them at any place. No Christian Churches are forced to officiate same-sex weddings. Get your info right!

Speaking of that Russian tragedy, many LGBT teenagers were approached by criminals online pretending to want to meet them for companionship; that’s how they were tracked down, isolated and viciously tortured! That young unnamed guy succumbed to his injuries! They’ve committed murder! Period!

My solution is a pro-equality/pro-woman one world govt. that would monitor all countries in order to make sure human rights (including LGBT rights) are indeed respected and enforced. I am also involved in activist groups, speak out about the issue in my music etc.

Wasn’t Saddam Hussein killed for crimes against humanity? I’m not saying they should have killed him. I’m just saying IF Hussein could get executed for crimes against humanity, then it’s okay for such a one world govt. to stop countries from committing any form of crime against humanity.

I was told such an idea is implausible and only education would cut it. How?! It’s now illegal in Russia to say anything in public or in schools in favour of the LGBT. Same thing in Saudi Arabia, Syria and so on… How is such education ever gonna happen?!


#9

Speaking of Islam, not ALL Muslims are evil… But are Muslim women truly FREE? A young lady that used the pseudonym “Fatima” recently told ‘Le Journal de Montréal’ that she left her country and relocated to Montreal (Quebec, Canada), then said that her mother was always nice to her and they used to get along.

But sometime after they took home in Montreal, her mother, influenced by some Muslim friends, started to restrict and oppress her life quite much. At some point, her mother and her brother would both repeatedly and constantly beat her up!

It came to a point her mother did not even want her to go to school! Most parents in North America get upset when their children don’t wanna go to school but in that case, it was different. Her mother actually wanted her daughter to stay home all day long and do chores instead of going to school!

Fatima tried to break away from her mother, went to the cops and had to show them her bruised back so they do not send her back to the family home.

Child protective services got ahold of her and her mother lost custody. Her brother once intercepted her on the street, punched her in the face and asked her to go tell the judge she had lied…

Fatima’s mother even tried to make the principal of her school believe it’s Fatima that didn’t want to go to school when it was the other way around. Fatima now lives with her boyfriend. She said she doesn’t live in fear but cannot go back to the family residence for that could be fatal…

Fatima also said unbeknownst to most Quebecers, MANY, yes, MANY other young girls suffer such horrors in Montreal but won’t asked for help because they are scared to death! She advises those that come to her to go to the cops but they are too afraid to do it!

Honour killings are common amongst Muslims… Some even happened here in Canada in recent years… Aqsa “Axa” Parvez was murdered by her own father & brother over a veil she did not wear…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing_of_Aqsa_Parvez

Three young girls in the same family were also killed in recent years in Canada. Such crimes happen in the US, the UK and elsewhere in the world. What rights do women have under the Sharia Law based on the Koran and Islam?

Rape victim sentenced 200 lashes by Saudi court
http://www.examiner.com/article/victim-sentenced-200-lashes-by-saudi-court?cid=taboola_inbound

I don’t even need to tell you homosexuality is completely forbidden by such laws, which force many to lead fake lives and be UNHAPPY…

According to Islam, only Muslims would be saved… According to many Christians, only Christians, especially those that follow their type of Christianity would be saved… From their word, every single human being would be damned anyway…

Satan, have mercy on us! lol


#10

“Christians Might Be Deceived…”

Kinda preaching to the choir here.

So what should we do about it? Killing a person is one thing but killing an idea (such as a church) is a whole new ball game.


#11

[quote=“Orismen, post:10, topic:1864”]“Christians Might Be Deceived…”

Kinda preaching to the choir here.

So what should we do about it? Killing a person is one thing but killing an idea (such as a church) is a whole new ball game.[/quote]

Simple, live your life for yourself and the beliefs and ideals that make you happy. Why care what others find to give their life purpose? Worrying about the what, why, when and where others do is no more productive than chasing desires your told you need. That’s why there is so much misery in this world, that and people decide to pick one aspect of their life to claim as their identity be it Christian, Muslim, Gay, Straight or Rodeo Clown. If a label is all you have to base your identity on your doing something wrong.


#12

[quote="-TWF-, post:11, topic:1864"][quote=“Orismen, post:10, topic:1864”]“Christians Might Be Deceived…”

Kinda preaching to the choir here.

So what should we do about it? Killing a person is one thing but killing an idea (such as a church) is a whole new ball game.[/quote]

Simple, live your life for yourself and the beliefs and ideals that make you happy. Why care what others find to give their life purpose? Worrying about the what, why, when and where others do is no more productive than chasing desires your told you need. That’s why there is so much misery in this world, that and people decide to pick one aspect of their life to claim as their identity be it Christian, Muslim, Gay, Straight or Rodeo Clown. If a label is all you have to base your identity on your doing something wrong.[/quote]

So just keep doing what we’re doing? That makes too much sense, man IDK if I can handle it :wink:


#13


#14

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/gays-to-sue-church-to-perform-marriage-ceremonies/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113677/Church-forced-conduct-gay-weddings-say-lawyers-studying-Equality-Act-voted-Coalition.html

There are civil unions in Europe and America, but homosexuals want more. I don’t care what “LGBT” wants to do, that’s not the topic. You keep bringing up all these “horrible” things being done to homosexuals in Asia, yet you haven’t said what can be done.

Of course, TWFs stance is pretty straightforward.


#15

WrithingParasite, I did answer your question when addressing the idea of a pro-equality/pro-woman one world govt. that would make sure human rights and dignity are respected in any country. I’ve also explained why simple education won’t work.

With those anti-gay laws in place in Russia and other countries, educating people especially minors is just impossible. Why settle for civil unions when we can get marriage? One more time; marriage pre-dates Christianity…

A sheer example of hypocrisy… And how exactly some Christians might be deceived, thinking they are so holy when they’re not…


#16

So, how do we do it? Just sit around talking about it? You have put no contact numbers for LGBT groups that I could contact and begin working with, you have presented no key votes for bills that would be in favor of homosexual rights, you have presented nothing other than a dream and some wishful thinking.

I remember reading somewhere that the laws in Leviticus and the Old Testament are now void since the fall of Israel and the disowning of the Jews by Jehova. I don’t have any citations though.


#17

Some good links:

https://allout.org/en
http://www.sos-homophobie.org/
https://www.facebook.com/BoycottSochi2014


#18

[quote="-TWF-, post:11, topic:1864"][quote=“Orismen, post:10, topic:1864”]“Christians Might Be Deceived…”

Kinda preaching to the choir here.

So what should we do about it? Killing a person is one thing but killing an idea (such as a church) is a whole new ball game.[/quote]

Simple, live your life for yourself and the beliefs and ideals that make you happy. Why care what others find to give their life purpose? Worrying about the what, why, when and where others do is no more productive than chasing desires your told you need. That’s why there is so much misery in this world, that and people decide to pick one aspect of their life to claim as their identity be it Christian, Muslim, Gay, Straight or Rodeo Clown. If a label is all you have to base your identity on your doing something wrong.[/quote]

Praise Jesus for this statement. I mean folks, this debate is a done deal, and it’s been a done deal for a while. Christianity is only the main bad guy because it is the most popular idiot out there. But all widespread religions are responsible for mass acts of violence, oppression, and outright idiocy. I will always say this, but the so-called enlightened Eastern traditions had religious ideals that were so oppressive, that simply looking at a nobleman got you killed instantly (i.e. the Hindu caste)? So what’s the point? We’re magicians, and while these are social issues, we got enough power and insight to change the situation. So is it really worth our time to beat this extremely dead, worn-out, and 95% decomposed horse anymore.

And I don’t know where in the Bible it says that Jehovah disowned Jews, but I guess whoever wrote that (even if it was a Bible apostle) didn’t even care about the fact that Jehovah says that “my words are immutable.” So since those Leviticus laws and covenant were declared way before that supposed disowning decree, whoever wrote that rather didn’t care about what God had to say and was talking to someone else, he wanted some attention, or his God (Jehovah) is a straight up bustdown. Right there… why debate over something that flimsy folks?


#19

The purpose of the divine by whatever name we call them is not to set an example for us but to show the divine that is already in us. They are nothing more than an outward representation of the microcosm. To hate and deny the divine outside by whatever name we choose is to hate the divine in ones self.


#20

www.covertmessiah.com
The Jesus fans might.find that interesting.