Book of Azazel. sickness after evocations?

Veeery true!~ always ends badly[/quote]

Believe me, I know.
You always end up falling in love, while the target gets scared, intimidated, or just feeling weird.

So why do I persist in these works?

Sometimes, your only think with the head below…

Ugh for the love of all things can we please please stop trying to slave others, wither you agree to the sacred wheel or not It always spins right back around biting you in the arse. If i’m not mistaken even E.A. said don’t become a victim of your own love spell. Wheither they are are competent or not in magic they still have the same foundation as the rest of us (ether, soul, spirit) it cannot be claimed by any other no matter how powerful you think your magic is, ESPECIALLY In the foundation of love. yes you an get sex outta someone yes maybe they will start liking you for awhile. but it never lasts its a shallow veil and will…sigh shallow magicians how tacky

  I think I'm confusing the issue a bit, so let me be clear. 

Of the 23 or so SLAVE spells performed over the last twenty plus years I have only had issues with three. I need the warmth in my bed and rush of dominion/control I get when I have some hot traffic reporter(:HINT HINT:) on my arm at a movie, when she would ordinarily go for some chisel chined ivy league prick. Yes, my friends I know that there are women out there that are perfectly complimentary to a magician like myself, I just don’t have the time. This thing of ours; magick; permeates and demands most of my waking hours. So until then I will keep my stepford wives, and kudos to those that have mates that are perfectly complimentary to you.

Magick is very hard on a relationship and if it became a choice where she said she was taking the kids if I don’t quit, then mommie would have to go for a walk in the woods :slight_smile:

[quote=“Zukara, post:23, topic:478”] I think I’m confusing the issue a bit, so let me be clear.
Of the 23 or so SLAVE spells performed over the last twenty plus years I have only had issues with three. I need the warmth in my bed and rush of dominion/control I get when I have some hot traffic reporter(:HINT HINT:) on my arm at a movie, when she would ordinarily go for some chisel chined ivy league prick. Yes, my friends I know that there are women out there that are perfectly complimentary to a magician like myself, I just don’t have the time. This thing of ours; magick; permeates and demands most of my waking hours. So until then I will keep my stepford wives, and kudos to those that have mates that are perfectly complimentary to you.

Magick is very hard on a relationship and if it became a choice where she said she was taking the kids if I don’t quit, then mommie would have to go for a walk in the woods :-)[/quote]

In my experience, trouble in love magick comes from unresolved feelings inside of you. It is a really bad idea to slave people you fall in love with. If you only need a slave on the other hand, I see no big problem.
Thing is, it is difficult to stay unconcerned (for most of us).
Usually in love, you end up being the victim of your own magick. It has nothing to do with how adept you are, I think. Its just a matter of attitude towards the target. Koetting touches that, on WOD I think.

On relationships, magick should play a very minor role.
Only some general blessings, macroenchantments etc.
Nothing forceful.
Otherwise people tend t become VERY defensive…

Like Haakon said: if you just need a slave then by all means. But in my experience which has been very few in slaving others… it’s hard not to catch feelings I mean don’t you feel something for a person you are obviously attracted to. To generate a random intimate encounter, or a fun super spontaneous fling, hell I even got a recipe for that but… to slave for a nut…Those neurons just don’t connect with me… and the victim gets super defensive… Now the person has stereo typically labelled you as “witch” or “voodoo” and the bridge is sadly burn now you can’t really even go back to know if it would have worked out… not that im kicking myself but… I can tell the sort of “distants” that occurs when ever I come around

It’s only ‘enslavement’ insofar as being in love is itself enslaving.

or not It always spins right back around biting you in the arse.

That is ‘karma’ and it is a self-created delusion that only affects those who cannot detach their conscious minds from their desires.

Wheither they are are competent or not in magic they still have the same foundation as the rest of us (ether, soul, spirit) it cannot be claimed by any other no matter how powerful you think your magic is, ESPECIALLY In the foundation of love.

Creating love through magical ritual has nothing whatsoever to do with ‘claiming’ someone’s ‘foundation’. You may as well try and use that argument against each and every case of love, as that is the logical implication. Furthermore, magic is not limited. Magic is by its very nature that which is unlimited. You, on the other hand, may very well be limited.

By the way, ether, soul and spirit are none of them synonyms of one another.

yes you an get sex outta someone yes maybe they will start liking you for awhile. but it never lasts its a shallow veil and will....*sigh* shallow magicians how tacky

That is absolute rot. Evoking a spirit of love to create love will create love, just as spirits of love are moving in each and every instance of love, whether by a magician’s direction or not. All love is magical, and whether it is at the request of a magicians or not, caused by the forces of which the spirits we evoke are intelligent incarnations. Get it through your head. And as for the butterflies, they never last, not even in what preachy, self-limiting sissies call ‘real love’. Of course magic, as opposed to everything else, can actually bring it back.

It’s no wonder you talk about things coming back to bite you when you have all these trite, preconceived, every-day and utterly false notions of what the world is and how the world works in your head, that you’ve been brainwashed into since birth.

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[quote=“haak0n, post:24, topic:478”]In my experience, trouble in love magick comes from unresolved feelings inside of you. It is a really bad idea to slave people you fall in love with. If you only need a slave on the other hand, I see no big problem.
Thing is, it is difficult to stay unconcerned (for most of us).
Usually in love, you end up being the victim of your own magick. It has nothing to do with how adept you are, I think. Its just a matter of attitude towards the target. Koetting touches that, on WOD I think.[/quote]

Again, what is with all this talk about ‘enslavement’? Everything that happens as a result of your ritual is a result of the beliefs and attitudes you take into and out of that ritual. It’s no wonder a person is scared, creeped-out, defensive and unresponsive when you’re taking the ideas you have with you into the ritual! What I’m doing is enslaving someone! This is ‘wrong’ on some level. I’m a creep. I’m so desperate. Blah blah blah. Just what sort of energy do you think you’re evoking and giving form as the spirit manifests when you do this? What can you expect from that except for complete disaster?

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One more thing to keep in mind is the ‘mundane’. If a person is not attracted to you in a very ordinary way, then your appearance, your character and your behaviour could be working at every moment against whatever love is being kindled through ritual, and causing things to fizzle out fast - if you do not ‘reprogram’ your target or change yourself accordingly. What is more, not being detached from your workings and the lust for a result can lead you to behave in a manner that will be off-putting to your target.

Thank u Poete Maudit

Sad, isn’t it how people that should take control and command shirk back into some ‘white lighter’ double speak about imposing my will on reality.This is the same Laissez-faire attitude that is present in 60% of the people bitching about the world’s troubles, instead of punishing the villains and cutting a few heads off. To be clear, Yes that is hate speech.
Mages are accountable to no one but themselves. A magician is as moral as a hurricane. Ruthless in execution of his will and strong and unwavering as the eternal flame. If you want change, then make change. Inserting myself in their hum drum, boring reality and increasing the magick inside them has improved their lives.
Another thing my fellow mages.You only learn by doing, and not theorizing forever and never doing.

I’ve practiced a love spell once and it worked and I have two kids with her and we are still together however we were in love before but split and that’s when I put it into action, but what I don’t understand is why you are talking to her everyday? It’s human nature to want what you can’t have, don’t be mean to her but pretend she doesn’t exist lol If you’ve been clingy and drooling over her for ever and then all the sudden act as if you could care less and kind of blow her off you won’t even need magic, it’s manipulative but it will work trust me I’ve done it several times,
’ i just want something I can never have’
Seems to say it all

[quote=“Jakob420, post:31, topic:478”]I’ve practiced a love spell once and it worked and I have two kids with her and we are still together however we were in love before but split and that’s when I put it into action, but what I don’t understand is why you are talking to her everyday? It’s human nature to want what you can’t have, don’t be mean to her but pretend she doesn’t exist lol If you’ve been clingy and drooling over her for ever and then all the sudden act as if you could care less and kind of blow her off you won’t even need magic, it’s manipulative but it will work trust me I’ve done it several times,
’ i just want something I can never have’
Seems to say it all[/quote]

My friend, what forum do you think you are on. The whole point of this all is to ‘take’ what we want. Manipulate/create/destroy reality to our benefit. In case some are confused about what brought them here. That’s it TO CONTROL OUR REALITY, OUR DESTINY.

Zukara

Where to start. This particular thread attracted me for the reason of feeling sickness and weakness after performing rituals found in BOA. Thanks, Poete Maudit and Zukura for your excellent insight into love spells and magickal manipulation. Very logical.

But back to the original topic of this thread, I have experienced a type of sickness after working with Azazel’s Nethers. The symptoms were acute and lasted for less than 8 hours and were after evocations of Ant’harr’atu and Frog’la’tasch. I experienced extreme fatigue, weakness and nausea at my last big concert. This reoccured a few weeks later after another evocation. Also had a random case of “food poisoning” at my farm a few weeks ago. I had worked with some Nethers earlier that evening. I think the “sickness” is the result from the use of so much energy in my ritual workings. is this why it’s necessary to collect energy from various sources? IE Invoking Omnipotence, vampirism, sun gazing, ect? Just want to collect your thoughts on this. Thanks in advance.

Zach

[quote=“ZachD555, post:33, topic:478”]Where to start. This particular thread attracted me for the reason of feeling sickness and weakness after performing rituals found in BOA. Thanks, Poete Maudit and Zukura for your excellent insight into love spells and magickal manipulation. Very logical.

But back to the original topic of this thread, I have experienced a type of sickness after working with Azazel’s Nethers. The symptoms were acute and lasted for less than 8 hours and were after evocations of Ant’harr’atu and Frog’la’tasch. I experienced extreme fatigue, weakness and nausea at my last big concert. This reoccured a few weeks later after another evocation. Also had a random case of “food poisoning” at my farm a few weeks ago. I had worked with some Nethers earlier that evening. I think the “sickness” is the result from the use of so much energy in my ritual workings. is this why it’s necessary to collect energy from various sources? IE Invoking Omnipotence, vampirism, sun gazing, ect? Just want to collect your thoughts on this. Thanks in advance.

Zach[/quote]

My suggestion is to take a week of; away from this all. With each evocation…etc. a conduit is created; you already know that; but a unforeseen problem is spreading yourself too thin. Making so many connections that ‘little’ is left for you.

Question ? Do you take any vitamin supplements ? And if so what ?

I have quite a regime that includes Selenium, Niacin, Vtamin B6/B12, D3…etc… I am 41 but look and feel better than my 18 yr old little brother.

[quote=“Zukara, post:32, topic:478”][quote=“Jakob420, post:31, topic:478”]I’ve practiced a love spell once and it worked and I have two kids with her and we are still together however we were in love before but split and that’s when I put it into action, but what I don’t understand is why you are talking to her everyday? It’s human nature to want what you can’t have, don’t be mean to her but pretend she doesn’t exist lol If you’ve been clingy and drooling over her for ever and then all the sudden act as if you could care less and kind of blow her off you won’t even need magic, it’s manipulative but it will work trust me I’ve done it several times,
’ i just want something I can never have’
Seems to say it all[/quote]

My friend, what forum do you think you are on. The whole point of this all is to ‘take’ what we want. Manipulate/create/destroy reality to our benefit. In case some are confused about what brought them here. That’s it TO CONTROL OUR REALITY, OUR DESTINY.

Zukara[/quote]

That’s wonderful and We live in a free wold and I wish you to do what ever your heart desires. However what I was trying to state is why do a ritual to go get an ice cream sandwich from the freezer instead of walking ten feet and getting one physically. It seems like hes doing the spell and then not even giving the spell any room to work.

My comment of “we just want something that we can never have” Wasn’t for him to not desire the woman but to use that against her and see how that works.

zach,

the vitamins tip is a good one. i’m 28, and i take multi-B complex, zinc, general multivitamin and omega-3. i’ve found that since i started, i’ve been sick less often (generally speaking) and that seasonal colds only last a couple days. great for everything.

when you say you had “food poisoning” after a working, do you mean vomiting or diarrhoea? in either case it could be due to sympathetic stimulation of the nervous system. it’s called nervous diarrhoea and it basically due to too much noradrenaline for too long. if it’s accompanied by insomnia or a mild tremor and after a working, that’s probably it (but i’m not a doctor yet so don’t take this as medical advice or anything).

you can try a cup of chamomile tea and a relaxation program after a working. basically, find a way to not stress about things. the B-vitamins really do work wonders at this. and i’m not saying the problem is psychological, by the way. magic utilises quite a bit of energy, so it’s little wonder your nervous system is taking a beating. if your body’s programmed to react to the environmental stimulus, you’ll be hopped up for a while. try a good banishing, too, just to quiet the workspace a little.

kind regards, james.

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[quote=“Jakob420, post:35, topic:478”] That’s wonderful and We live in a free wold and I wish you to do what ever your heart desires. However what I was trying to state is why do a ritual to go get an ice cream sandwich from the freezer instead of walking ten feet and getting one physically. It seems like hes doing the spell and then not even giving the spell any room to work.

My comment of “we just want something that we can never have” Wasn’t for him to not desire the woman but to use that against her and see how that works. [/quote]

I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down ?

Thank you Zukura and Tiberiusjames,

I’m on a new vitamin regime as well as diet and exercise change. I needed to rediscipline myself in that area.

Yes it’s definitely energy work that was exhausting me. I’ve now learned the consequence of doing ritual work with out fully charging my chakras, and filling up on energy!

[quote=“Zukara, post:34, topic:478”][quote=“ZachD555, post:33, topic:478”]Where to start. This particular thread attracted me for the reason of feeling sickness and weakness after performing rituals found in BOA. Thanks, Poete Maudit and Zukura for your excellent insight into love spells and magickal manipulation. Very logical.

But back to the original topic of this thread, I have experienced a type of sickness after working with Azazel’s Nethers. The symptoms were acute and lasted for less than 8 hours and were after evocations of Ant’harr’atu and Frog’la’tasch. I experienced extreme fatigue, weakness and nausea at my last big concert. This reoccured a few weeks later after another evocation. Also had a random case of “food poisoning” at my farm a few weeks ago. I had worked with some Nethers earlier that evening. I think the “sickness” is the result from the use of so much energy in my ritual workings. is this why it’s necessary to collect energy from various sources? IE Invoking Omnipotence, vampirism, sun gazing, ect? Just want to collect your thoughts on this. Thanks in advance.

Zach[/quote]

My suggestion is to take a week of; away from this all. With each evocation…etc. a conduit is created; you already know that; but a unforeseen problem is spreading yourself too thin. Making so many connections that ‘little’ is left for you.

Question ? Do you take any vitamin supplements ? And if so what ?

I have quite a regime that includes Selenium, Niacin, Vtamin B6/B12, D3…etc… I am 41 but look and feel better than my 18 yr old little brother.[/quote]

i have the same symptoms (nausea,shaky legs,racing heart and weakness) everytime i do sigil opening…any sugestions or info??.

You need energy then, dron. I recommend vampirism to supply oneself with the necessary energies to not be affected by said magicks.