I’m curious if anyone here evokes spirits/demons while at the same time remains religious, going to church regularly, etc.
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Christian church? I doubt it. People here are not sheep.
Not being religious but I do study other’s religious beliefs.
(I may have been still going to church til this days IF ONLY church people have nice attitudes and IF ONLY the church CAN REALLY TEACH OR DO what they claim)
In my side, I do magick and study religious beliefs. I study religious beliefs not because I believe in what religious leaders say. Hell! they can’t even teach a rewarding knowledge from their holy book. I just want to find things that could help me on my magick practice and there’s things I can’t figure out where I often need to use other’s beliefs as reference. Well, it’s just me so shouldn’t you need to understand what I’m up to.
But, why have you asked that question?
Actually there is one member here that claims to go to church regularly and is also a practicing magician, her name is Gwendolyn (think I spelled that right?) but she doesn’t post here every day.
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It would be great for all the people of the earth to be free from this bulshit of religion.Instead of going to church,you can visit someone who has your need.Instead of making donations to the church,give the money to the poor.And one other thing that is crucial:
Why almost any kind of religion puts the female as dirty and unclean?Have you ever seen a female priest in a church?
Who makes those stupid rules?God himself?(i don’t think so)
Just hit them all with a C.S.B
I’m unsure how you consolidate the practicing of the two, given that core beliefs are so diametrically opposed ( really speaking christian here ) … then again, modern christians do tend to pick & choose parts that suit them ( perhaps we are all guilty of this ) & if you only evoke angels etc that christians think are ok, then I guess I can see how this opposition can be brought together in your mind
I was refering to the representives of the church.Once again humans are responsible for altering everything to keep the power in their hands.I doubt if the teachings of christ we know so far are the original ones.And no human can convince me that Christ told to buld churches and only the male has the right to be a representive of him.All these bulshits are human made.And for the record i know many priests who’re preaching against homosexuality and at the same time they pay large sums to have sex with males.It’s not a secret anymore.
I have nothing again christ and people who go to the church but i just can’t stand the hypocrisy from these holy people who think that they can hide behind christ’s name and fake teachings.
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And why a homosexual or a lesbian is damned from the church and religion in general?I mean you don’t wake up one day and say’‘Hey from now on i’m a lesbian’'You were born like that.We don’t choose what attracts or repels us.it’s just happening.
So why these people have to taste exile and judgement for something they didn’t choose at first place?
And who’s responsible for this?Our lovely church and religion.
You’re christian,he’s muslim,she’s catholic,she’s gay,she’s a lesbian.
Pretty names and tags to divide us in categories made from us by us
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Curiosity. I don’t do the church stuff either. Too much hypocrisy for me.
[quote=“dron, post:8, topic:6966”]And why a homosexual or a lesbian is damned from the church and religion in general?I mean you don’t wake up one day and say’‘Hey from now on i’m a lesbian’'You were born like that.We don’t choose what attracts or repels us.it’s just happening.
So why these people have to taste exile and judgement for something they didn’t choose at first time?
And who’s responsible for this?Our lovely church and religion.
You’re christian,he’s muslim,she’s catholic,she’s gay,she’s a lesbian.
Pretty names and tags to divide us in categories made from us by us[/quote]
Well, I’m a little off topic with this thought, but if you just glance at the big picture we as humanity become more divided every day. Although at the same time more of us are “waking up” from what I’ve noticed.
On the topic of religion, there are a few (curious) people I’ve shared some of the information I’ve come to implement with on the subject of magic, entities, and spiritual energy in general, and none of these people were even slightly religious in the form of Christian catholic Muslim Jewish yada yada. You could argue most of us are religious at one point, or even that we’re still technically “religious” although we don’t “worship” our entities. You could still argue we are religious in the right that we commune with a “deity” or entity of sorts, but that’s a whole 'nother ship to sink.
IMHO to be religious and of our accord you would have to be a contradicting person with a conflict of interest, which, in my experience, magick isn’t really going to be your strong suit, because you (again in my experience) can’t have a significant conflict of interest while manifesting real results. I feel this is for the simple reason that with such a conflict of interest, you can’t whole heartedly place your beliefs on manifesting the desired, if any, outcome while you have this shred of contemp or feeling that what you’re doing isn’t right. When it goes against your belief system, you can’t place the necessary focus on what you ‘hope’ will work, and I say hope because with this conflict of interest it’s nearly impossible to fully believe you’re insert action will work.
Religion and black magick just don’t go together. It’s almost like eating bacon to lose weight. It’s too blantantly contradictory. But that’s just imo, whatever works for me or how I think isn’t the way another would operate. To each their own. But hey, on a side note, maybe if someone can find the righteousness in some stupor to somehow believe it’s right and not have any negativity between intertwining the two, who’s to say it couldn’t work. This is an art, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Although I’d love to study what the person who intertwined the two would manifest or experience! That would be quite interesting and hard telling what one could learn and the strange things you would quite probably see happen with or to them.
Very interesting general discussion topic.
I know what you want to say.Magic can be easily adopted as a religion also.Some are worship god through church and some others are worship satan through magic, and other are worship somehting else.
My point is that at the end we’re following our thoughts in our heads.The mind wants to belong somewhere because he needs a kind of identity to grab from.
I’ll put it woth simple words:
A person likes to have sex with the same gender,he’s doing magic,he’s also compsosing music and he works for 20 years as a salesman.
Now what exaclty this person is?
Is he a magician who writes music?Is he a musician who does magic or he’s just a homo who likes to write music and perform spells?Or he’s an ordinary people who does all of them?
I think what this preson is goes beyond any names,tags,titles etc.
it’s esay to say i’m a christian or i’m a black magician but at the end it’s your minds who talks and not you.
This is how i see it
[quote=“dron, post:11, topic:6966”]I think what this preson is goes beyond any names,tags,titles etc.
it’s esay to say i’m a christian or i’m a black magician but at the end it’s your minds who talks and not you.
This is how i see it[/quote]
And labeling someone to your own accord isn’t exactly the right way to put things, but from you’re perspective that’s how you see it, just as when you label yourself. Only you can decide what you are, but likely that only applies to yourself, others will see and label you how they see things from their perspective. There is no right or wrong, only perspective of definition.
We only use labels to convey what’s going through our mind about any specific thing or person, it’s not necessarily a good or bad thing, it’s just one of those things that simply is. You can call it what you want, which is why this kind of contradiction would still, in theory work. Although it would be highly dependent on the individual.
You are what you are and labels are just here to convey thought and attachment. You’re spot on imo, it depends on your mind and what it latches to, unbiased on what you would decide. You can’t express the whole based on one thing, because perspective is different from person to person or even situation to situation, to yourself.
Although to identify as a Christian black magician, that would make for an interesting personality. That much i think we could all agree on regardless.
But you are right, it goes far beyond labels.
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Religion is from the Latin word religare, which means to unite and become tied to the source but much of it is simply used as a vehicle to control and manipulate. Hence the majority of those which are religious are led by the controlling forces of earth, and not the true source. In this regard, religion has become consumed by its own nature and ties people down.
This as you can imagine corrupts the entire concept and acts as a clever barrier for the true wicked bastards of the world to wield their swords and lead the masses. In my opinion, you are far better following the path of self mastery and learn to know thyself and the natural world of spirit and how both interact to form the existence we inhabit.
I think personally, some will either practice or pretend to follow religion but still do dark rituals in the shadows as a defence against it, or to show that they wish to unite again and become tied back to the source, which of cause is what religion really is but there’s not much of that as most of it is as corrupt as the silly cunts that follow it.
Its actually a Grande Magick Ritual…religion =) theres alot of hidden magick in the church dont underestimate all of them as being mere christians. What will happen is you will have the wolves in sheeps clothing (if you ever get a chance to meet them…YES they are very well integrated in the community) doing black magick behind the scenes…while trying to convince you to stay in your Safe pen.
I am new here at this forum and to BALG (but not to the concept of magick etc).
I am also a practicing christian. Going to church, been studying theology in the past, dating a priest, all that jazz. I used to be a believing christian as well, but in the past 3-6 months, I’ve been strugling. What really keeps me in that game, is, obv, my relationships with people there and the fear of losing those and not being able to shake the feeling, that I might be wrong, heading directly at eternal barbecue, if I leave. And actually, I really rather like coming to church. It’s nice people, nice food, a ceremony which in every way, shape and form is as much a kind of ritual, and in some senses maybe even a little magick, as any other religous gettogether. But I have no idea if I’ll end up staying - and believing. There must be some kind of reason, why I was led enough astray, as to enter this kind of forum. 
In the past, I’ve tried doint some kind of christo-paganism, which is the kind of thing you get, if you mix folkreligion with catholic christianity, as in the olden times. It is very much witchy-ish - just with a christian pantheon. My problem is, I don’t really know if I have a pantheon or not.
Everyone’s welcome on here, we obviously ask people to not endeavour to indoctrinate others into their religion, but the study of magick is (and IMO should be) open to all that ask - how it sits with your religion is ultimately a matter for you to decide, not anyone else. 
If you want to discuss faith-based magick, the White Magick / RHP section is probably the best place for that kind of topic, and we have sub-forums for other specific types of magick as well.
Just one thing, please take a moment to post an introduction here - it’s one of the Rules of this forum, many thanks!
Introduction done!
And of course, I would never want to try and indoctrinate anyone. I’m here to learn, not to be an asshole. 
I will check the white magick forum, thanks for recommending it!
Lady Eva,
That’s good enough but the other way it is also a great thing if such will indoctrine their religious beliefs in this forum and we’ll deal with them through a very nice approach. Not a waste of time, many will gain knowledge on how to deal with such people. Such, I mean, are the hard headed accusers. A big problem recently of RavensAscent concerning her family.
How about that?
To deviate off topic a moment, what are the chances of there being a chaos magick forum here? After all, if there is a “white magick” forum here there certainly seems there could be room for a chaos magick forum for people like me who are more attracted to that current than the theo-demonic style that most people here gravitate towards.
[quote=“Arann, post:18, topic:6966”]Lady Eva,
That’s good enough but the other way it is also a great thing if such will indoctrine their religious beliefs in this forum and we’ll deal with them through a very nice approach. Not a waste of time, many will gain knowledge on how to deal with such people. Such, I mean, are the hard headed accusers. A big problem recently of RavensAscent concerning her family.
How about that?[/quote]
Arann, it’s in the Rules that were brought in before I was made a moderator and it’s not open for debate, sorry.
See my edit at the bottom of this post.
This is a forum about magickal experiences, and you can debate religion with people on forums devoted to that if you enjoy that kind of thing.
Iam, I think the subforums were set up by Timothy & E.A. based on the types of magick they planned to cover (or covered by E.A.'s books) in the middle section, and then the lower ones (Baneful, Healing, Love & Lust etc) are there to discuss results gained by other nethods, but I’ll pass that request along next time I speak to Timothy about the forum.
Nothing to stop someone starting a “Chaos Magick Mega-Thread” in the meantime?
Edit to add - this is how I see the hardline approach that was decided on (before my time as a mod) on this forum, and why I support it:
There are some topics which, if you give people an inch, they are so highly motivated/obsessed/whatever that they will take a mile - religion is one of the worst for this, since to some believers, they’re directly and personally responsible for saving people from eternity in hell by convincing them of the importance of their faith.
Hell, if I genuinely believed that stuff, I’d probably feel the same way!
Allowing a little “rational” spreading of dogma means that people on here who already face a barrage of religiously-motivated opposition would also then be logging on here, a supposedly black-magickal/LHP oriented forum, for more of the same - so we’d lose a lot of participation from people right away.
Secondly, allowing any of that content would open the floodgates to the possibility that each and every post could be met with pleas to abandon magick, demonic work etc., and turn to Jesus/Mohammed/the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which would make the overall quality of threads drop to a level they wouldn’t be worth reading.
Zero tolerance is the best and fairest approach, rather than allowing some dogmatic posts, but not others, to be made on here.
Thirdly, the internet is full of trolls, so given a loophole for derailing threads, they would seize upon it and become the internet equivalent of a herpes sore, recurring over and over in any place that permits them.
This is our space - the rest of the internet and the rest of the world can yell, troll, flame, and blow themselves up obsessing about their Sky Man - in here, we don’t have to deal with that bullshit, and if people want to talk about how their religion interplays with their magick, they have a whole subforum free to do so, where they will neither be attacked, nor cause any problems for people who get enough of this in everyday life.
Those are my personal reasons for supporting this rule, and I’ve had a lot of experience moderating forums about all kinds of topics, so I’ve based my conclusions on that experience as much as on my personal tastes and beliefs.
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