Any magickian worth their salt can pass a lie detector test. Prove me wrong

[PrinceX]

@Myrddin

Right but you wouldn’t do something you don’t believe in.

Possible. Thanks

[Myrddin]

Words are not arbitrary.

Remember

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” - Nikola Tesla

[Epsilon_The_Imperial]

@PrinceX

Let’s imagine that.

To answer your question, magick happens all the time whether change occurs because of our conscious intentions or not.

It becomes the study and practice of magick once we learn consciously direct that power, but that doesn’t mean that that power doesn’t exist.

But you really can’t hold a productive conversation by assuming the other side is crazy and going “Where’s da proof!” when in reality most of our knowledge of magick amounts to recollection of other people’s experiences or your own experiences plus some analysis.

[Woodsman81]

@PrinceX

Look we all have different opinions. Whoever is right is right, whoever is wrong is also right. Let’s imagine that.

See, that’s where things get interesting, and that is where individualization enters the equation. While we are all having subjective views of why this shit works, none of us are objective on the point. But we know that what works, works. This is why I suggest that knowledge is such an important factor.

Also consider that a perception of knowledge is able to be challenged, at least by a sane mind. Thus, knowledge is potentially a great way to ascend; both through attainment and destruction thereof.

[Woodsman81]

@Myrddin

Right but you wouldn’t do something you don’t believe in.

Yeah? Hold my beer…

[PrinceX]

@Epsilon_The_Imperial

But you really can’t hold a productive conversation by assuming the other side is crazy and going “Where’s da proof!” when in reality most of our knowledge of magick amounts to recollection of other people’s experiences or your own experiences plus some analysis.

I’m on the other side as well. I practice magick every day. Imagination is part of it. Very important part of it. But there are a lot more to it than that and almost everyone here knows that.

The only thing that I’m saying, is that imagination alone is as weak as beliefs and thoughts… it’s not enough to create change. it’s not enough to believe… it’s not enough to imagine… or every single person in every mental hospital in the world is a magician. They can sure pass lie detector test because they truly believe what they imagine is the truth, is real. That’s my point.

Knowledge is also not enough without taking action based on that knowledge.

[PrinceX]

@Woodsman81

See, that’s where things get interesting, and that is where individualization enters the equation. While we are all having subjective views of why this shit works, none of us are objective on the point. But we know that what works, works. This is why I suggest that knowledge is such an important factor.

Also consider that a perception of knowledge is able to be challenged, at least by a sane mind. Thus, knowledge is potentially a great way to ascend; both through attainment and destruction thereof.

I agree with you completely on all of that.

[Woodsman81]

@PrinceX

Knowledge is also not enough without taking action based on that knowledge.

100% true. But, can one make a claim to knowledge without action? I do not feel the two have a capacity for mutual exclusivity. I think we are on the same page, just using different ways to express it.

Knowledge means nothing without action, and magick requires action. This I cannot deny.