When I first became interested in black magick, I automatically assumed that all of those in the occult believed that demons and the spiritual world were real. And by “real”, I mean that they pre-existed humans and were not a product of their creation. In other words, I had no category for “egregores”. So when I began to see that many magicians did not believe that demons and such things were “real” (again, see my definition above), I was in utter shock. It was like hearing that NASA did not believe that space existed…I mean isn’t a belief in space the whole reason for that field of study in the first place??
Off and on I have thrown the occult away as utter junk and nonsense because of this topic: why on earth, I said to myself, would I get involved in the occult if, when I evoke demons, I am evoking nothing more than a product of my creation? Bull shit, I said. These clowns on here are worse than the Christians that I left.
I had even more disdain for the occult when everybody was telling me that even though magick “worked”, it would only be effective if you first believed in it. I could not wrap my mind around that concept. Physical laws of nature “work” regardless of whether or not you believe in them. You can be high on PCP, thinking that the law of gravity does not apply to you and that you can fly for miles; but when you jump off that cliff, you will find out real quick that what you believe has zero affect on those laws of nature. If magick “worked”, why would things be any different?
Well I think that I have come up with a way of rationalizing all of this in a way that does not make me feel like I am throwing out my brain 10X more than the Christians do:
Regarding egregores: I am an avid backpacker and survivalist. That means that I try to be as self-reliant as possible. Sometimes this means making my own tools. The other day I made my own custom camping knife. It is a subject of my own creation, but can do things that I could never do without using it. I believe that this may be the same situation with egregores.
My camping knife cannot do anything on its own. I must use my skills in order for it to be able to perform the tasks that I want it to do. That doesn’t make the knife any less “real”. It just means that it must be activated with my help. In fact, a skilled user will be able to use my creation even better than I can. He can actually pass it on to his kids who may be able to use it far better than even he could. So why could it not be, then, that egregores that were created by the first magicians cannot be put to even better use by magicians today?
This analogy may be helpful to others on here who may be extremely put off by Timothy and other atheist magicians.