ACHTUNG! This is not a pro Nazi thread nor is it an anti one, just WWII History buff stuff

Many of us here are big into history and most of us have a special affinity for the WWII period, the politics, occult, and technology of this period is a fascinating subject. This thread is for the exploration of various views and interpretations of historical events and historical figures such as Churchill, Roosevelt, and The Führer himself Lol!
Humourous comments are welcome! :wink:
This thread is for all fans of WWII that may have discovered something interesting on YouTube or wherever and would like to share with other WWII History buffs.
Outside of the box ideas are welcome some things that may be considered not mainstream such as Nazi UFO time travel, strange and unusual medical experimentation, exploration of inner earth through Antarctica, and other more out of the ordinary speculation, concerning the third Reich.


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I’m really into history, and have quite the book collection of this particular event. I think I grew an interest in WWII because of my grandfather’s participation in the Finland-Soviet Winter War and the Continuation War. This tiny, small country of Finland - which are a part of my origin as a half-Finn/half-Swede - gave a hell of fight in the Winter War, until the Soviet military had to make some significant changes during the Continuation War to make Finland surrender, giving up significant chunks of strategic land to the Soviet Union.

I also have the film Der Üntergang, or Downfall as it’s called in English. It’s an interesting, and well made, German movie about the last days of Hitler.

Here is a scene from that movie, but with a twist. Read the subtitle:

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I’ve always wondered what those foo fighters were. Both the Germans and allied fighter pilots encountered them, and according to disclosed documents, both sides thought it was a secret weapon made by the enemy.

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Holy crap that Thule guy looks exactly like me right now.

I just regrew my beard and started conducting experiments with both the Elder Futhark and Armanen Futhark.

I knew these cards could predict the future…but not like this.

BTW great timing as the Armanen Runes have always been fascinating to me as a system of soul empowerment.

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Hitler was a mighty Magician. The Nuremberg Rallies between the twin searchlight pillars! The fact that Hitler avoided the devastation so as to preserve his one pointed ability to visualise and inspire. To triumph by will.

Of course, Hitler was funded from October 1928 by the general managers of two of the largest Berlin banks.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/BrueningMS.html

Al.

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I like the Russian Night Witches

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Please redefine your definition of “great magickian”. To the best of my knowledge Hitler has not been documented to have performed telekinetic feats, he has not been documented to have opened a Black Gate (A physical gateway to the other side through which Spirits can walk through IN FLESH. EA Koetting can do it), he has not been documented to have conjured objects from thin air (@Lady_Eva has done that) , he has not been documented to have raised a legion of demons (more sorcerers than I can possibly name have done this), he has not even been documented to have sent someone flying backwards across the room with his power alone (I of all people, the greatest beginner on here, have managed to pull this off several times under specific circumstances. If you ask me to demonstrate at will I admit I can’t do that yet, but I have done it under specific semi-controlled circumstances and am working towards being able to do this with ease and fluency against pretty much anyone). He even DIED. He was certainly not among the best.

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I apologise. All that material by the late Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, like The Occult Roots of Nazism and Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity as well as the late Gerald Suster were all full of shit. I should have realised earlier. Same with the various mystical volkisch movements that influenced and backed Hitler. All that twin pillars made with searchlights, sun-wheels, the taking of a crippled people and forging ahead with His new paradigms and the fact that Hitler couldn’t see the devastation, because if he did it would shatter his singular vision which was holding everything together. All wrong!

Yeah, and it was bullshit all along! The fact that there are National Socialist spiritualities and Magick just goes to show, doesn’t it? And Wewelsburg castle – all just errant nonsense. And I never realised. Thanks.

Al.

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@Uncle-Al You still haven’t answered my question. Can you name and clearly cite (in MLA if you wish. Including page number and chapter) a single documented event of Nazis performing any of the SPECIFIC FEATS listed above? The fact that they may have been magickians doesn’t prove that they were GREAT magickians.

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I’ve already apologised. My mistake.

Al.

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What do you make of Anton La Vey’s Dedication in The Satanic Bible – earlier editions. LaVey and Tuesday Weld - really?

Al.

@Uncle-Al I don’t follow the teachings of the Satanic Church. No offence to anyone but I find them one of the lesser orders. I am generally not a fan of those types of atheistic “Satanist” orders. I am not trying to smear or malign anyone. You asked for my honest opinion that is all I am giving.

Consider that there are many forms of magick, and many ways those forms of magick can manifest. Also consider that every human alive does some kind of magick whether they realize it or not. Hitler was a magician; whether it was in the way he desired (ie the Nazi occultism mentioned by @Uncle-Al) or the unintentional magick that all people perform. Ability to command the will of masses and subvert their own sense of reason? Check. That is documented and it most certainly IS magick. Now, how you define “great” magician is subjective. I think it would be more accurate to say he was a powerful magician. For that matter, so is Donald Trump, Otto Bismark, Warren Buffet, etc… And yes, he died. Barring the folly of trans-humanism we all will. You can live an eternal physical life like the proverbial vampire and eventually your body will be destroyed in a temporal anomaly as the universe collapses…or will it, lol? The eventuality of physical destruction really does not mean much in the big picture, IMO.

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@Woodsman81 Their are more worlds than this. If you believe EA Koetting (the idea isn’t originally from him. Pretty sure he gives credit to someone else) it’s possible to open a Black Gate and live forever in other realms (not some sort of afterlife, but eternity in corporeal flesh). Even if this world collapses their will always be others. First rule of necromancy: To die is to fail. The true master of death either seeks to evade the Reaper’s scythe by becoming one with it or by becoming an undead being that perverts all of nature’s laws. A Lich does not die, and if by some ungodly amount of force they are destroyed their soul will endure to repair or replace the flesh vessel.[quote=“Woodsman81, post:48, topic:16813”]
I think it would be more accurate to say he was a powerful magician. For that matter, so is Donald Trump, Otto Bismark, Warren Buffet, etc…
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They are NOT. You really need to redefine your idea of power. Great wealth if anything shows a second grade magickian. Wealth is necessary as a means to support oneself and advance one’s goals. Greed for wealth in and of itself however seeks only to extinguish the infernal spark. Real power is more than just that. It’s the ability kill or to heal with only a gesture and a whispered word, to travel the planes in the flesh, to raise the dead. To be a GOD. That is real power.

Of course I do. I never said otherwise. Let me know when any of these magicians can physically shift in and out of our plane of existence and I will reassess my view on the eventuality of the destruction of our corporeal form.

If you think I refer to those individuals as powerful because of material gains they may have made you have misunderstood me. Power, to me, is the ability to manifest the will into reality. Every one of the people named have done that to dramatic effect. They ARE quite powerful. I simply use them as examples because they and there exploits are well known. To me, the true earmark of godhood is not the traveling of planes or the ability to kill or heal on a whim, though those could be aspects of it. It is the ability to manifest the will as desired by the god that defines the being as a god in the first place. Bear in mind I said that the people were powerful magicians, not gods. If any given person was to will (X) into reality, and that person does exactly that through action and intent, I would have to say that on some level they are functioning magicians. Most successful people employ aspects of Hermetic philosophy, whether they know it or not. Are there no powerful Hermetic magicians?

Thanks for that. I won’t say why, but thanks.
O! And just by the by, Donald Trump, Bismark, Warren Buffet were or are great Magicians. Donald’s problem is that he has no Earth in his horoscope.

Al.

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“I don’t follow the teachings of the Satanic Church. No offence to anyone but I find them one of the lesser orders.”

Seriously, no offence taken. I’m glad that Dualism, the power of limited resources, Greater and Lesser (Satanic) Magick, Erotic Crystallisation Inertia, Trapezoidal Magic and Psychodrama are all lesser stuff? I’d never have known. And now I’m wondering how I managed to collect all that energy (from the atmosphere/earth) and direct it, given that I was working atheistically – just me and what was available. Same with Anton’s teachings on ‘Satanic sex’, opposites and the possibility of immortality.

My direction is self-divinity and so I concentrated on working by myself without the intervention of spiritual entities. Pure lhp. It was Anton LaVey who showed me how to manipulate, make an impression and cause change to occur in conformity with will. And when I started there really wasn’t much available, even Anton was hard to get.

That said, I learnt a lot of fundamental, atheistic Magick from Anton LaVey; stuff that I used and still use on the ground. So no offence taken, whatsoever. I certainly appreciate where you’re coming from.

Al.

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