About binding Gods/ Demons etc [my opinion: They Should Be bound, thats what advanced work is]

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Continuing the discussion from Binding The Goetia Journal:

Thanks for your reply! I love how coherent your stance is!

I share this as seperate thread to not write more on your journal, and also since it drifts off topic, it also does not related fully to your replies, i just picked the same subject and expanded, so the following it is not related to you i am just expressing my thoughts generally,

If i bind a Deity and do not receive millions of dollars in the bank, and instead receive 100$ or have a 5$ manifest before me from thin air, i will be convinced he is either not bound, is not a God, or i bound someone else.

And i won’t view the 5$ as supernatural, i will view it as a Supreme Troll. Or a humiliation ritual. ´yes you bound me, take this 5$’

So if that happens to me

  1. He is not a God
  2. Or Gods are all egregores
  3. Its another being its not the God im supposed to bind
  4. The binding was not successful
  5. Or simply Gods do not have the power i thought they have.
  6. Or im weak. Which is same as 5th point, the binding was not successful.

Its like if 100 people are stuck in an island, call me for him, coerce me into helping, threathen me, and i start receiving calls from powerful people telling me : Go help!

I show up in helicopter, drop 1 bottle of water, and move on. And call them back and tell them its done i helped.

And they keep talking to each other for the next 10 years on how they coerced me into giving a bottle of water, that i cursed before giving them lol

I do like your perspective of making of the binding deeper than staying on the surface layer, reading your replies your stance is very very coherent, and deeper than just ´i have a slave being’ surface level.

I also view learning to bind as something important since it can serve in self defense or with beings that i do not work with and attack me.

However, it just sounds to me RHP to approach the ´rebellious beings’, the ´fallen angel’, and coerce and bind them,

I cannot claim to be so rebellious and a God and end up condemning beings that are as chaotic as me.

And also, to use God name and Angels to bind the Fallen angels, is the abrahamic framework in my opinion thats why i am repulsed by it. Thats how the abrahamic God deals with demons,

I have worked with Demons with no Angels between us, they show up instantly, they visit me without summoning, they are over protective of me, feels like being in a lions Den. Complete worth it especially that many fear doing it out of fear of having their life ruined, it makes me feel even more powerful and a God given this does not happen to me even if i enter my head in the lions mouth.

I also believe, Pacts are the way to go for advanced work,

I speculate you believe in pacts ?

From that sense i do believe in binding, just in different way, that includes consent. Since we are both bound by the points in the Pact.

So the idea of binding is 100% true way for big stuff in my opinion. The way of proceeding, i prefer some more than some.

I would rather be bound with a being at will. like imagine a Demon who is rebellion, signing, willingly, without any coercion, to terms, and even favoring me on top of that, that to me is way better and me being a God, rather than me calling on the demon, he does not answer do not want to work with me, and even want to attack me for approaching him, like: am i a piece of this to you to this level? I will see why they being repulsed by me first,

Thats my philosophy i believe being a God, is about the other beings rushed into my help on their own,

if i call on them and refuse and do not answer, then its like if i am no body in the spiritual realm.

from UPG i am somebody, and beings do rush for my help, i still never cursed, because they do the cursing on their own, and i react to that with reverence, personally, goodness annihilate my ego, it projects me into non duality.

I posted before in forum an experience of having my chair giving me a massage,

isn’t that KING level ?

Working while having an entity giving me a massage without even asking for it, but i am trusted with power,

And i do not misuse equality,

There are some people who cannot function with an equality model and cannot handle power,

I personally having that from the being, push me more into revering him, rather than commanding him and making him regret why he assumed he can trust me to not become weird after being trusted to work with as an equal, for that reason I react to that with reverence.

Unless (very small probability that i still take seriously even if small) thats some imposter trolling me lol im quite skeptical too in the path, i do not trust easily.

So i do agree they should be bound, my perspective is its through Pacts. Bound to terms we both agreed upon, without coercion and such.

And i do believe this takes the magic path to the next level.

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Can you give us the short version of what you see “binding” as actually being?

Are you following the Solomonic tradition here? As in “abjuring and constraining”?

The term “binding” also has a sympathetic magick/ witchcraft folklore meaning that I use and doesn’t make sense for entities not in the physical. So what do you mean?

Otherwise, I’d say advanced work is when you don’t think you need others to do your work for you. This implies you’re not capable on your own.

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Uts not RHP. Its a left hand path thing. RHP implies you’re binding them to serve others and serve a higher power. Personally I follow neither. I walk down the middle hand path.

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It is to constraint a being, and now i started seing it being several types

1.Coercive Binding

2.Pact binding

through agreements

3.Anchoring Binding

With a vessel or whatever

4.Relational binding

A stable bond of respect, reciprocity, and spiritual hygiene. The spirit is bound because the relationship itself makes hostile action unthinkable or self defeating, its extreme unlikely.

I follow the second and the fourth type of binding currently,

I do not need coercion, and the use of circles, angels and divine names,

I bind them from harming me, with having a good spiritual hygiene, good connections, being pragmatic, improving myself,

Being respectful to them so we are collaborating,

For them to attack me they would need a mental illness or something.

I tested this further, many say petitioning does not work, i tested it, it worked ( tested with hard stuff, not small stuff )

It does not work always of course, it is like they are more willing to engage in some things than others, as far as i understood from them, they like me to do my best, and they engage to add on top of that, instead of me, trying to use them to compensate for my laziness,

I once started thinking maybe my will is so strong, i wanted to verify they do want to assist,

I did a working and added : do not do it because i asked, do it only if you on your own want to do it, do not do it because i forced you in someway, exercise your will.

They ended up doing it, i tested this few times and then i was like : ok those are not the chaotic beings many describe.

It makes me more and more believe this robe of chaos was pushed on them by the Abrahamic religion.

I have seen many claim that without protection of Angels life will go to shit,

I approach those exact same beings without a weapon without an Angel without the Divine,

Life did not go to shit, so my binding is more potent to the point i go inside the lions den with no protection and everything is wonderful,

Do i use something from the Solomonic tradition?

Not in traditional sense,

I use divine Names in my practices, i just added them and added angels, its all good,

At least some Demons do love Certain divine names, which can be seen as weird only if veiwing the beings from the abrahamic religion,

I see the Divine Names, for example, as boosters for the Mage, rather than to attack the spiritual realm with them,

Because i noticed clearly and i am 100% convinced, improvement and refinement of ones own soul, makes the beings automatically want to assist and help i do not know exactly why, it seems like a fantasy and projecting benevolence on them,

But thats what i found, the potency of the assistance given by the being, and how involved he will be, correlates massively to the Mage,

I had success with opening jars that get stuck, every single time i use same formula, ˋi command you in My name to open now’, this after i already get tired of trying to open it, it opens instantly in the next try, sometimes i add ´ i command you in the Name of the All ´ or something similar, they work, instantly, i do not recall a time when it did not work,

Did i bind the jar ?

All i wanted is the jar to open, and i did the command as a tool for me to make that reality manifest, the commands using Divine name can banish lack of belief

So its all about me rather than the jar itself,

Thats how i view the use of Divine Names in spiritual realm,

Sometimes i do adress a being in that way, i ask you in the name of X etc..

Its a way of having the hierarchy right, sometimes its not even that deep, its just that there is no other technique and i have to connect to that being,

So that subject of whats truly Solomonic and whats not, whats need refinement and whats not, i believe it is a rabbit hole

By the way, Frederic Dodson explores that concept of commanding the universe with divine name, which opens up a new perspectivE:

I do agree, however, the more one advances, the more beings are willing to help on their own,

And also, many beings will help, without you even asking,

Its to me like real life, the more one improves, he will receive kind acts from some , its just like that,

I do not believe beings have to be always talked to for them to assist,

There are beings that are active and that reach out and help without even making the mage notice,

I know this to be true from experience,

The pacts i do not view them as reaching out for help, but its like having a deal with a human, that of itself can be part of the plan of ascension

I get it, so we are on different Paths

I am more into the extreme LHP not the middle

In my perspective, they do not need to be bound to serve a higher power

So basically your goals, i have same goals, without the element of coercion and without risk of retaliation or angering the being.

Note: i do protection, even before calling on beings, this to avoid misleading someone, however the protection is not from the being itself, sometimes some bad entity can interfere, so i have my protection always. Same for cleaning, spiritual hygiene generally.

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